Raid Changes

[Naerron]

I think a few people are way off base here. Getting to kill raid targets, for most of us, is not about wanting to be "gods among noobs" but rather getting to frickin raid lol. I love to raid, that's what kept me in EQ for so long, if it was a game that u just got great gear from group lvl shit i prob woulda quit. That being said here are my thoughts on rotation/competition.

Rotations have their obvious benefits. I know on transcendance's first naggy kill we were trained 3 times before we could even get to the mob. Once the trainers admitted it their guild helped us CR. A rotation eliminates this sort of behavior, and reduces a lot of stress for guild/raid leaders. It also ensures that everyone on the server who as at raiding lvl gets to have some fun and raid. That being said tho..

Mob competition is innately part of EQ. Notably the game started losing many of its key guilds and "celebrity" players when raids started being instance, example is Furror in FoH with plane of time. There are key skills raiding guilds need to be successful that really separate the casuals from the good players, most importantly its teamwork in mobility to a raid target. Having mobs on rotation completely takes this aspect out of the game.

Why did we start needing rotations already? Mostly its because of the lack of raid content available, when there was enough guilds on live to really cause competition between the guilds there were enough targets that a guild could still raid atleast something, even if it was not the mob they had their eyes on. Like i said earlier this is the real motivation for most of us, getting to raid. My solution is not some grand master plan and spawn timer and GM watchings us like babies, but simply give us the other planes to raid. This will alleviate the pressure big time.

However, if this is not in the realm of possibility, due to progression sequence wanted to be maintained by the GMs, then really without their being a cry drama fest rotations seem to be the best route. IF the decision to stay on rotation is kept tho, i think it should be limited to a 4 hour grace period to mobilize and kill the mob before it move to the next guild in the rotation. This low grace period does a few things, it keeps guilds needing to be ready and still leaves a little room for mobilization to be a factor, also it make sure the mob is dead at least close tot he spawn time, this 24 hour crap is BS and makes the mob really a 7-9 day spawn instead of 7 days witht he +/- factor in the respawn.

If anyone is still reading this i sort of feel sorry for you.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Naerron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think a few people are.. ... ..i sort of feel sorry for you.

Naerron you are well spoken and obviously you have thought about your responses. I really agree with a lot of what you said and I really wish we could bring that kind of attitude to the bargaining table.

[drplump]

There a few easy solutions I can think of:

1)Put a huge fuckoff mob in their place thats level 255 and invulnerable with same arrgo range that is silently replaced with raid mob to prevent afk on spawn point.

2)Have the raid target shout the name of the first person to appear on its arrgo list. You could even have it automatically banish all players form other guilds for 5 minutes.

3)Make raid targets boot everyone from zone and repop all other mobs when they spawn or a fun variation of auto killing anyone in range right when they spawn.

I think a combination of 1 and 2 would be the best. This just a case of doing an hour of coding work now to replace all the time it takes to announce who got first hit.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by drplump [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There a few easy solutions I can think of:

1)Put a huge fuckoff mob in their place thats level 255 and invulnerable with same arrgo range that is silently replaced with raid mob to prevent afk on spawn point.

2)Have the raid target shout the name of the first person to appear on its arrgo list. You could even have it automatically banish all players form other guilds for 5 minutes.

3)Make raid targets boot everyone from zone and repop all other mobs when they spawn or a fun variation of auto killing anyone in range right when they spawn.

I think a combination of 1 and 2 would be the best. This just a case of doing an hour of coding work now to replace all the time it takes to announce who got first hit.

I actually like all of these suggestions, but #1 they would not be classic (who would agree to this? seriously I would, but I don't really care about things being exactly classic like many do), and #2 they might be hard to code.

[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by drplump [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There a few easy solutions I can think of:

1)Put a huge fuckoff mob in their place thats level 255 and invulnerable with same arrgo range that is silently replaced with raid mob to prevent afk on spawn point.

2)Have the raid target shout the name of the first person to appear on its arrgo list. You could even have it automatically banish all players form other guilds for 5 minutes.

3)Make raid targets boot everyone from zone and repop all other mobs when they spawn or a fun variation of auto killing anyone in range right when they spawn.

I think a combination of 1 and 2 would be the best. This just a case of doing an hour of coding work now to replace all the time it takes to announce who got first hit.

I can agree with some of them, although number one can be worked around, have people sit in the fg area, for naggy for example. or have them hold the royals group... ect.
I like #2 and #3 a LOT, although i agree with hasbin, they might take a lot of time to code.

Whoever suggested a 7 day spawn timer would be good, would take time to ensure that the spawn wasnt easy to figure out and so that said mob wouldnt repop within, say, an hour of the kill.

Finally, Pikle has a point. These discussions need to be opened up to our future generations of raiders, if they'd like to be in on it. Would suck if we decided on a sucky, BS system and watched as others had to live with it. Dont think for a second we will be the only 2 high end guilds forever.

(PS: totally off topic, but i wonder what kind of legitimate exposure we could get from posting on the Alla's forums, and possibly getting a special nod on the allas site? probably too much to ask, but im sure there are HUNDREDS of people who would love to play here, just are unaware of it. )

[Taluvill]

I love what Dabamf is saying BTW, great system right there.

Would work perfectly as long as no one would try and be sneaky or do something stupid. With everyone on both sides respecting camps, we'd be good to go with that idea

[Greldor]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would work perfectly as long as no one would try and be sneaky or do something stupid. With everyone on both sides respecting camps, we'd be good to go with that idea

Which is why it will not work.

[Hexsis]

someone has to say it...we are here for classic experience, change nothing...dont mess with spawn times etc, if ib is there and gets the loot then so be it, trans will have to wait till ib gives them some kills/more content...if trans outnumbers them and gets the kill gratz!...leave the gms alone, seriously let them work on more important issues(this will only cause more long term problems, i.e. ddos)...if a guild cheats to get the dps over the other than ban those certain players..

sorry im not very well spoken just worked 13 hours and then came here to see a bunch of people trying to change classic...guilds will have to come up with something, or they will have to fight the dps

[karsten]

Originally Posted by Hexsis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

someone has to say it...we are here for classic experience, change nothing...dont mess with spawn times etc, if ib is there and gets the loot then so be it, trans will have to wait till ib gives them some kills/more content...if trans outnumbers them and gets the kill gratz!...leave the gms alone, seriously let them work on more important issues(this will only cause more long term problems, i.e. ddos)...if a guild cheats to get the dps over the other than ban those certain players..

sorry im not very well spoken just worked 13 hours and then came here to see a bunch of people trying to change classic...guilds will have to come up with something, or they will have to fight the dps

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[douglas1999]

Originally Posted by Hexsis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

someone has to say it...we are here for classic experience, change nothing...dont mess with spawn times etc, if ib is there and gets the loot then so be it, trans will have to wait till ib gives them some kills/more content...if trans outnumbers them and gets the kill gratz!...leave the gms alone, seriously let them work on more important issues(this will only cause more long term problems, i.e. ddos)...if a guild cheats to get the dps over the other than ban those certain players..

sorry im not very well spoken just worked 13 hours and then came here to see a bunch of people trying to change classic...guilds will have to come up with something, or they will have to fight the dps

This. The only rule we need in this whole situation is that raid disputes are automatically ignored by GM's unless a blatant exploit is involved. If a guild wants to camp a mob 14 hours in advance, go ahead and do it, but don't be surprised if another determined guild completely disregards your "claim". All of these elaborate systems people are thinking up are never going to be adhered to if implemented, and will just open a whole new can of worms when people inevitably violate some aspect of the agreement.