not a single player has told me to plan on raiding

[quido]

The 15-on-spawn rule is/was removed.

There's too many serious people crowded into one server for that to be a realistic solution, Loraen. It would just be a shitshow forever. Rotations across the board are fucking stupid anyways.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The 15-on-spawn rule is/was removed.

There's too many serious people crowded into one server for that to be a realistic solution, Loraen. It would just be a shitshow forever. Rotations across the board are fucking stupid anyways.

We have a shitshow now.

Anyway as I said I think server resets are a better solution.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have a shitshow now.

Anyway as I said I think server resets are a better solution.

Why not both? I figured you guys would be in favor of further punishing the guilds that want to try and get everything. Their will will falter.

By both I mean adjusting the variance per my proposal AND instituting a system of at least somewhat consistent repops.

[quido]

Furthermore, I think my proposal evens the playing field more when it comes to tracking. It makes it virtually impossible to keep everything tracked all the time, but at the same time if these same guilds resort to just having a person or two cycling trackers and spot-checking zones like I think they will, this is something that the smaller guilds could do with the same amount of ease.

As one of the larger trackers in TMO, I can tell you that if I tracked Talendor consistently for a few weeks and he never spawned in that time, I would be fucking pissed and probably wouldn't do it again.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As one of the larger trackers in TMO, I can tell you that if I tracked Talendor consistently for a few weeks and he never spawned in that time, I would be fucking pissed and probably wouldn't do it again.

You still haven't at all mentioned how this non-classic mechanic doesn't favor the zerg.

If Jeremy gets tired you've got another 15 people behind him waiting to earn DKP. When Skope gets tired there's only 5.

I know all of this makes sense in your head, but you've either not explained it well enough or you're unaware or ignoring the obvious flaws here.

Anyway, that all hinges on this question:

What makes you think they'll do anything at all?

[quido]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You still haven't at all mentioned how this non-classic mechanic doesn't favor the zerg.

If Jeremy gets tired you've got another 15 people behind him waiting to earn DKP. When Skope gets tired there's only 5.

I know all of this makes sense in your head, but you've either not explained it well enough or you're unaware or ignoring the obvious flaws here.

Anyway, that all hinges on this question:

What makes you think they'll do anything at all?

I already said that it does favor the zerg, just not as much as the previous system. We may have more people ready to step up and track, but I still don't think it would be enough to sustain what is necessary for such changes.

I think my proposal would lower the bar for tracking, not raise it. TMO wouldn't track every target 24 hours a day 365 days a year. We would resort to a system of spot-checking stuff.

Loraen's idea was interesting though.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I already said that it does favor the zerg, just not as much as the previous system. We may have more people ready to step up and track, but I still don't think it would be enough to sustain what is necessary for such changes.

I think my proposal would lower the bar for tracking, not raise it. TMO wouldn't track every target 24 hours a day 365 days a year. We would resort to a system of spot-checking stuff.

Loraen's idea was interesting though.

Unless I'm not remembering correctly, wasn't the whole 'don't artificially favor the zerg' part of nilbog's posts in here?

And answer my second question first!

*given that this thread will inevitably hit RnF, I'd figure I'll pitch in.

Jeremy, I remember you being two people at once.

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[quido]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. Your idea is all kinds of fucking stupid. It only exacerbates the tracking issue. ONLY those with trackers would ever get mobs which means zerg guilds. The only way to fix raiding on P99 is to

1) Remove Variance
2) Add FTE Shout
3) Remove VP DB exemption

So only zerg guilds ever managed to check and see if a mob was popped on live eh? You idiot

[quido]

Believe it or not, I am against the full removal of variance not because it affects my guild - TMO will succeed under any ruleset/conditions - but because what it would bring would be fucking stupid. I experienced it here, Zephany; you did not. FTE shouts will not offset the idiocy of a dozen weekly spawnsocks. Nonetheless, I am in complete support of implementing FTE shouts as a means of reducing confusion and GM headaches.