not a single player has told me to plan on raiding

[quido]

I still don't see your point. This was an altogether isolated incident and one which is even more unlikely these days given the advent of 3rd party program detection and a more solid and consistent GM presence. Koota was just a scumbag in this right - it's not like the variance brought it out in him. I'd bet the farm he used SEQ for a lot of other stuff too.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think referencing a couple of incidents at a time when there was no cheating detection here as a means of discrediting my promising proposal is absurd.

If you really don't think it would give the smaller/casualer guilds a better shot at stuff, you're clueless.

With the ability to create unlimited accounts, in addition to no perma ban, is there really a deterrent not to use the cheat software on a junk account?

This a real question. I've never used the programs.

[quido]

Depends on the 'skope' of the punishment. Bahahaha

I agree though - it shouldn't be such a given that you will get your stuff back. I think this hurts the population more than it helps.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Lyra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With the ability to create unlimited accounts, in addition to no perma ban, is there really a deterrent not to use the cheat software on a junk account?

This a real question. I've never used the programs.

on a junk account i'd guess no other than the time invested in even getting the character up to the point to track. i think there should be more stringent bans for hacks but it's hard to do that fairly and consistently i guess from the GM perspective. i also think when people get suspended for training etc it shouldn't be that single char it should be all their chars, but again don't know they have the ability to do that. you'd have to block that IP to prevent people from just using someone else's character anyways.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still don't see your point. This was an altogether isolated incident and one which is even more unlikely these days given the advent of 3rd party program detection and a more solid and consistent GM presence.

I'm saying that you're only adding additional incentive to cheat upon what existed before.

These "isolated incidents" ended up with hundreds of people getting caught, and a good chunk of them were tracker accounts. I'd love to hear an official number, but it's safe to say it's not small.

It's definitely more difficult to get away with it now, but it's also, by their admittance (Sirken has stated that it was wasn't perfect then and isn't perfect now), not bulletproof.

Rather than using a condom every time you sleep with a dirty hooker in fear of catching something nasty, perhaps it's a smarter idea to just stop sleeping with hookers.

[quido]

Now you're talking out of your ass. Most of the previous incentive was destroyed. The generalization that a lot were tracker accounts is only somewhat true, and I think the reason is that every single sketchball who plays here makes sure to try and have access to every account he or she possibly can. Why the hell would someone SEQ on a tracking character when they can just track? You're contradicting yourself.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why the hell would someone SEQ on a tracking character when they can just track? You're contradicting yourself.

Because it's incredibly boring an unbelievably easy way to do it? Unless I'm mistaken, that's why people cheat, and have cheated in the first place.

Koota wasn't caught on a druid/bard/ranger, btw. Iirc he was sitting at the portal in fear FD'd. "Tracking" on a tracker gives them a bit more credibility.

Tixel was banned on the druid account. Ask Tixel why he SEQ/MQ'd, why the fuck are you asking me?

[kotton05]

MQ/SEQ seems to be the baseball equivalent of steroids...

Lyra has a good point the endless accounts created is a loophole that live didn't have to deal with.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because it's incredibly boring an unbelievably easy way to do it? Unless I'm mistaken, that's why people cheat, and have cheated in the first place.

Koota wasn't caught on a druid/bard/ranger, btw. Iirc he was sitting at the portal in fear FD'd. "Tracking" on a tracker gives them a bit more credibility.

Tixel was banned on the druid account. Ask Tixel why he SEQ/MQ'd, why the fuck are you asking me?

can easily spot CT that way legitimately.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because it's incredibly boring an unbelievably easy way to do it? Unless I'm mistaken, that's why people cheat, and have cheated in the first place.

Koota wasn't caught on a druid/bard/ranger, btw. Iirc he was sitting at the portal in fear FD'd.

You're implying that a lot of the banned accounts were non-tracking classes that were tracking. Please just shut the fuck up. You don't even know what you're saying anymore and have to correct yourself after the fact when you say stuff that is too dumb.