not a single player has told me to plan on raiding

[quido]

I still don't see your point. This was an altogether isolated incident and one which is even more unlikely these days given the advent of 3rd party program detection and a more solid and consistent GM presence. Koota was just a scumbag in this right - it's not like the variance brought it out in him. I'd bet the farm he used SEQ for a lot of other stuff too.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still don't see your point. This was an altogether isolated incident and one which is even more unlikely these days given the advent of 3rd party program detection and a more solid and consistent GM presence.

I'm saying that you're only adding additional incentive to cheat upon what existed before.

These "isolated incidents" ended up with hundreds of people getting caught, and a good chunk of them were tracker accounts. I'd love to hear an official number, but it's safe to say it's not small.

It's definitely more difficult to get away with it now, but it's also, by their admittance (Sirken has stated that it was wasn't perfect then and isn't perfect now), not bulletproof.

Rather than using a condom every time you sleep with a dirty hooker in fear of catching something nasty, perhaps it's a smarter idea to just stop sleeping with hookers.

[quido]

Now you're talking out of your ass. Most of the previous incentive was destroyed. The generalization that a lot were tracker accounts is only somewhat true, and I think the reason is that every single sketchball who plays here makes sure to try and have access to every account he or she possibly can. Why the hell would someone SEQ on a tracking character when they can just track? You're contradicting yourself.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why the hell would someone SEQ on a tracking character when they can just track? You're contradicting yourself.

Because it's incredibly boring an unbelievably easy way to do it? Unless I'm mistaken, that's why people cheat, and have cheated in the first place.

Koota wasn't caught on a druid/bard/ranger, btw. Iirc he was sitting at the portal in fear FD'd. "Tracking" on a tracker gives them a bit more credibility.

Tixel was banned on the druid account. Ask Tixel why he SEQ/MQ'd, why the fuck are you asking me?

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because it's incredibly boring an unbelievably easy way to do it? Unless I'm mistaken, that's why people cheat, and have cheated in the first place.

Koota wasn't caught on a druid/bard/ranger, btw. Iirc he was sitting at the portal in fear FD'd. "Tracking" on a tracker gives them a bit more credibility.

Tixel was banned on the druid account. Ask Tixel why he SEQ/MQ'd, why the fuck are you asking me?

can easily spot CT that way legitimately.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because it's incredibly boring an unbelievably easy way to do it? Unless I'm mistaken, that's why people cheat, and have cheated in the first place.

Koota wasn't caught on a druid/bard/ranger, btw. Iirc he was sitting at the portal in fear FD'd.

You're implying that a lot of the banned accounts were non-tracking classes that were tracking. Please just shut the fuck up. You don't even know what you're saying anymore and have to correct yourself after the fact when you say stuff that is too dumb.

[quido]

Split a period of one year into chunks of 30 minutes - there are 17520 of these chunks in a year. Say you want Talendor to spawn 52 times a year - then every 30 minutes, the server/zone does a check if Talendor isn't already up, and at the start of the chunk (or maybe at a random point within the chunk), the RNG is run and there is a 52/17520 or 0.2968% chance that Talendor will spawn.

I GUARANTEE YOU such a change would decrease the amount of tracking across the board from the zerg guilds and would afford the smaller guilds more ample an opportunity to have a shot at Talendor. Yes TMO will still get more targets than Divinity, but I 100% absolutely guarantee you that the smaller guilds will have a larger share of attempts under this system.

Add to this some simulated (or real) patches involving server repops, and suddenly, in my opinion, the raid scene is looking a lot more promising for the casual player.

If you think TMO or FE or IB or whoever can maintain that level of focus on tracking over an extended period of time, you are wrong. But honestly though I think Velious will alleviate most of the grievances. Kunark is just too fucking old.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Split a period of one year into chunks of 30 minutes - there are 17520 of these chunks in a year. Say you want Talendor to spawn 52 times a year - then every 30 minutes, the server/zone does a check if Talendor isn't already up, and at the start of the chunk (or maybe at a random point within the chunk), the RNG is run and there is a 52/17520 or 0.2968% chance that Talendor will spawn.

I GUARANTEE YOU such a change would decrease the amount of tracking across the board from the zerg guilds and would afford the smaller guilds more ample an opportunity to have a shot at Talendor. Yes TMO will still get more targets than Divinity, but I 100% absolutely guarantee you that the smaller guilds will have a larger share of attempts under this system.

Add to this some simulated (or real) patches involving server repops, and suddenly, in my opinion, the raid scene is looking a lot more promising for the casual player.

If you think TMO or FE or IB or whoever can maintain that level of focus on tracking over an extended period of time, you are wrong. But honestly though I think Velious will alleviate most of the grievances. Kunark is just too fucking old.

aside from more server repops + velious coming out that is a solid idea.

p.s. also like how in one of the quotes skope provides, nilbog indicates that the raid scene on this server is close to classic for top guilds on live, which is what the majority of us in the know have been saying all along.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think TMO or FE or IB or whoever can maintain that level of focus on tracking over an extended period of time, you are wrong. But honestly though I think Velious will alleviate most of the grievances. Kunark is just too fucking old.

I recall that same argument regarding Kunark, Jeremy.

I'm sure *this time* it'll be different.