Is Faith In God Reasonable? Faith is Foolish Debate

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another person too worried about labels.

Worried about labels? I think that is a valid thing for someone to be worried about since the things that keep being tossed around in this thread have been used to define so many wrong things for their definition.

Atheists =/= Agnostics, matter of fact, they aren't even close.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Worried about labels? I think that is a valid thing for someone to be worried about since the things that keep being tossed around in this thread have been used to define so many wrong things for their definition.

Atheists =/= Agnostics, matter of fact, they aren't even close.

The evidence shows the inverse to be true. If what you claim were true you wouldn't have the issue in the first place. Most non-believers don't even know which one to label themselves with nor do they care. Why do you care so much? What is it that you're trying to prove here?

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The evidence shows the inverse to be true. If what you claim were true you wouldn't have the issue in the first place. Most non-believers don't even know which one to label themselves with nor do they care. Why do you care so much? What is it that you're trying to prove here?

I have my reasons. None that I have to share with you. I've simply tried point out how people such of yourself really aren't very educated in this subject nor are/provide any credible sources for your arguments. Also, before it gets pointed out neither did I or anyone else, it's not our job to post any credibility in your thread. I have a strong belief in God and Jesus Christ and felt like joining in on this discussion. Matter of fact, I enjoy a lot talking about this stuff with all kinds of believers/non-believers because I really do enjoy peoples opinions and their views, because it makes me think a little more and sometimes ponder on what-if situations that lead me into my own little world sometimes haha. I also sometimes come upon really cool things that have either been proven or haven't been proven yet that I didn't know before, like scientific stuff. Sadly, that hasn't really happened here yet.

Why do you care so much?

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have my reasons. None that I have to share with you. I've simply tried point out how people such of yourself really aren't very educated in this subject nor are/provide any credible sources for your arguments. Also, before it gets pointed out neither did I or anyone else, it's not our job to post any credibility in your thread. I have a strong belief in God and Jesus Christ and felt like joining in on this discussion. Matter of fact, I enjoy a lot talking about this stuff with all kinds of believers/non-believers because I really do enjoy peoples opinions and their views, because it makes me think a little more and sometimes ponder on what-if situations that lead me into my own little world sometimes haha. I also sometimes come upon really cool things that have either been proven or haven't been proven yet that I didn't know before, like scientific stuff. Sadly, that hasn't really happened here yet.

Why do you care so much?

It's not my thread but that's semantics. Having a strong belief in God and Jesus and living in a nation that publicly endorses only such belief systems means that you really wouldn't understand why it's important.

The "war on Christmas", One nation 'under God', school prayer shrouded under the guise of 'moment of silence', swearing upon the Bible in court, tax exemptions for churches, the uproar that they would 'dare to build a mosque near the site of the twin towers', the list goes on. Freedom of religion? You mean freedom for your religion to reign supreme.

That's one of several reasons that I care.

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the denial of a "higher being" is idiotic.

The scientific community in the United States and elsewhere overwhelmingly disagrees. There are exceptions, and they are extremely uncommon.

http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/20...dstatement.pdf

http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6024&page=1

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Kitzmi...Page_83_of_139

Regarding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisia..._Education_Act

However, scientific societies collectively representing millions of scientists have opposed the bill, and every scientific society that has given a position about the bill has opposed it.[7][8] Alan Leshner, the executive publisher of Science sent a letter to the Speaker of the House of Louisiana condemning the bill as the "latest effort to insert religious, unscientific views into science classrooms,"[9] writing elsewhere that the bill would "unleash an assault against scientific integrity, leaving students confused about science and unprepared to excel in a modern workforce."[10]

And a list of the scientific organizations rejecting pseudoscientific creationism:

http://ncse.com/media/voices/science

Every major scientific organization in the world, and nearly every proper scientist... is an idiot.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every major scientific organization in the world, and nearly every proper scientist... is an idiot.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

since in fact, in rl this is my area of expertise, i will tell you what I think.

belief in god is wholly irrational, a total leap of faith. and when you get down to the level of well, god wants you to wear a certain kind of specialhat, or never have your women show an ankle unless if a male relative is present as chaperone -- yeah, that is crazyland.

but, strictly from a logical perspective, it is equally illogical to say that you know god does not exist.

All stupid religion aside, the bare fact of the existence of the universe is simply boggling. Believe, or don't believe; both are equally illogical. The universe is illogical. Unless you can tll me whre it came from....

[falkun]

http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nearly every proper scientist... is an idiot.

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the likely hood is more possible then nothing existing.

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've simply tried point out how people such of yourself really aren't very educated

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's just like faggots haha

[Hasbinbad]

eliseus confirmed first member of rnf from westboro baptist