[QUOTE=Ephirith;964174]It's everyone's favorite pastime-- arguing about religion on the internet! en garde
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Originally Posted by Eliseus
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People really assume that this was random? That somehow all the stars aligned in the universe at precisely the perfect moment to somehow allow man and woman to be made, not only that but this random act also created an even more random act of allowing man/woman to reproduce with each other?
Now of course this doesn't necessarily say that the "God" that is believed in exists, and like he mentions may be "dead", but, either God does exist or a higher power definitely exists in some for somewhere that created what we know./QUOTE]
How is the notion of biological complexity needing to be 'created' any less absurd than billions of years of stellar and biochemical evolution?
If you believe we had to have been created, then who created the creator? If you say he always existed, or created himself, then why not save a step and apply the same freewheeling principles to primordial humanity?
I'm sorry to insult you but you are woefully uneducated... read a biology book. Science doesn't make very strong claims on the origin of the universe nor does it purport to factually explain the origin of life itself. For these questions it has theories supported by whatever empirical evidence can be gathered.
The principles of biological evolution and their role in the formation of humanity, however, are objective fact. We are similar to birds because we share a common ancestor. We didn't evolve from monkeys, but we do share a common ancestor with monkeys. These things are not debatable. If you refuse to accept them at this point, you're just opting for ignorance.
There's one important consideration: It's not just that you believe in God and Christ, you also believe in God and Christ's 'teachings'. You live your life a certain way based on faith, and you expect others to do the same. If you want me to walk into church on sundays and worship a God, then the burden of evidence is on you to prove to me that God exists. Creationism is a joke. I don't find faith compelling. You have no compelling evidence.
And scientists aren't asking you to live your life a certain way, so they don't need to prove anything. Their claims are by necessity grounded in fact. If something has poor support, it isn't accepted. If you can find substantial evidence for your claims, my mind is open! Until then, you can keep your backwards fucking superstition out of my schools and politics kkthx.
"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." -Carl Sagan
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I don't even know where to start to pick this thread apart. You also want the burden of evidence, yet you agree with posts like the OPs, which would actually result in YOU to prove a burden of evidence. Don't try to twist things around that we would have to prove anything to you. I don't see a thread telling you to come to church or what to and not to believe in. Also, considering the U.S. was founded under god, you can take your backwards fucking superstition and get the fuck out of my country or shut the fuck up and let people believe in and be happy with whatever God they want.
Your biology comment is pretty laughable since it talks about "theories" which you don't seem to grasp. Maybe if you come into this thread and not throw around "fuck you" types of arguments people would be more willing to agree with your wall of text. When you try to make a point, it helps if you don't show how unintelligent you really are.
05-20-2013, 06:54 PM
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