not a single player has told me to plan on raiding

[arsenalpow]

For every person that screams how all the batphoning, shitbaggery, training, dishonorable tactics are classic there is always another person that came from a server with rotations and a sense of decorum when it came to raiding.

The rules are laid in by Rogean, which are then enforced by Sirken & Co. If you don't like the rules find a new sandbox because it ain't changing anytime soon. I'm truly thankful that this server exists and we all know that Bog and Rogean don't hear it enough - and this comes from a person who can't fucking stand the raid rules and the children that currently occupy the scene.

[quido]

does decorum include deliberately training people because you don't like their style, chest?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

does decorum include deliberately training people because you don't like their style, chest?

Ya everyone knows me, premiere trainer of p99, typical BDA scum etc etc

Back to the point of the conversation, yes the leaders of each guild could talk about a rotation, but the one guild that will not agree to anything is Zeelot of TMO. The TMO leadership has established it's position and refuses to come off it.

Every. Single. Other. Guild. On. The. Server. Would be in for a rotation, TMO single handedly refuses thus spiraling the raid scene into its current cesspool. Don't blame the devs, don't blame the GMs, don't blame other guilds for not "working hard enough"* Blame Zeelot and TMO. This isn't rhetoric, this is publically stated fact by Zeelot himself.


*working harder refers to the TMO way of raiding on p99, zerg invite over all time zones, batphone all targets to pull 30+ at any time from massive roster, train/FTE snipe/lawyer/grief and do whatever it takes to get all targets, park alts fully buffed at every target, plant spies in competing guilds, stalk opposing guild members irl, foster illicit relationships with GMs, etc etc

[quido]

I was serious, Chest. You're a hypocrite and a crybaby.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was serious, Chest. You're a hypocrite and a crybaby.

I'd love to hear an explanation for that theory Jeremy. Everything that I've said is a fact and matter of public record on these forums.

You do have a very large zerg roster to pull numbers at any time of the day while parking multiple alts fully buffed at every major raid target

Your guild has been suspended more than any other guild in the history of the server for a pile of misc offenses (training, griefing, etc)

Tiggles did have an improper relationship with Amelinda, whether it yielded any advantage for TMO is questionable

Zeelot has gone on record stating that he will not agree to a rotation

Do you have any verifiable points you'd like to make or would you rather continue lobbing accusations and opinions?

[quido]

Rotations are fucking stupid. I was against rotations even when the lack thereof prevented me from killing a single raid mob.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For every person that screams how all the batphoning, shitbaggery, training, dishonorable tactics are classic there is always another person that came from a server with rotations and a sense of decorum when it came to raiding.

I'd like to see how many servers had enforced rotations versus FFA back on live. I know the two servers I played on were both entirely FFA myself.

As for all the other mess, i recall lots of training but the extent of the batphone for me back in the day was getting an aim message now and then telling me a target was up. We normally just logged on in the afternoon/night checked targets and killed them on a daily basis.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For every person that screams how all the batphoning, shitbaggery, training, dishonorable tactics are classic there is always another person that came from a server with rotations and a sense of decorum when it came to raiding.

Our server did have rotations eventually, but the rotation was shared among the power gaming guilds. Friendlyfamilyguild still wasn't in the rotation.

I don't think you should give up on rotations here.

I'll add too(on my server anyway) power gamers didn't communicate on forums. They communicated in game, because that is where they were when they weren't sleeping.

[happyhappy]

Originally Posted by Lyra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Our server did have rotations eventually, but the rotation was shared among the power gaming guilds. Friendlyfamilyguild still wasn't in the rotation.

I don't think you should give up on rotations here.

I'll add too(on my server anyway) power gamers didn't communicate on forums. They communicated in game, because that is where they were when they weren't sleeping.

Servers with rotations, at least mine, usually let the "Friendlyfamilyguild" have their shot when asked nicely, mostly because "Friendlyfamilyguild" weren't a threat to them. They were severely underleveled, didn't know the strat, usually didn't have the required gear, much less things like resist gear or clickies, not that they would have known what to do with those. They would just sit back and watch them wipe then move in for the kill, and still get thanked for the opportunity.

That's the difference between then and now, knowledge. People playing here are not casual in the same standard as casual people were back then, simply because they read these forums, know about such things as rotations and respawn time, heck they have more 60s than most raiding guilds did back then.

Every casual raiding guild here could probably kill anything short of Gore and a few VP dragons given the uncontested opportunity, it's only logical for high end guilds to not want to risk it.

Not to mention that back then, encounters were actually "hard", fourteen years later the strats are widely known and mostly obsolete, as rushing 5 times the amount of players at a monster than the encounter was designed for will trivialize anything. On live my guild didn't have a raid roster like what we see on p99 until Ssra, and were considered a "zerg" guild. So today the only challenge that remains, what top guilds are looking for, is actually the race.

But yeah, that's just my experience on one of the 40 servers back on live.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by happyhappy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Servers with rotations, at least mine, usually let the "Friendlyfamilyguild" have their shot when asked nicely, mostly because "Friendlyfamilyguild" weren't a threat to them. They were severely underleveled, didn't know the strat, usually didn't have the required gear, much less things like resist gear or clickies, not that they would have known what to do with those. They would just sit back and watch them wipe then move in for the kill, and still get thanked for the opportunity.

ya, that was before 9/11 tho, when the terrorists won