ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Sirken]

Poor Stannis. he may need to die indeed. but maybe not. if he actually is Azor Azai, and if lightbringer is actually the men of the nights watch, then its a perfect fit for him to lead the watch.

but more likely, Melisandre (whom i believe to be the least talented of the 3 red priests, thoros and moqorro being the other two) has been seeing future visions of Jon in her fires, and not Stannis.

If Stannis does die, well then we have Gendry and Edric, one (or both) of them can be legitimized, and become the new Lord of the Baratheon house.

If Stannis does not die.. well thats a pickle. firstly because Stannis sees himself as the rightful king, he WILL NOT bend the knee to any one else. if he was willing to kill Renly, hes not pledging fealty to anyone else. he can't be king of the north, because hes not of the north. not to mention Rickon is still alive, and Sansa is to be married to Harry the Heir, which would unite the vale of Arryn and the North, again, leaving no place for Stannis.

at the wall, Stannis can be lord commander, as well as get away with not kneeling before any other king, furthermore, he would not be subject to the whims of whoever the king may end up being.

i just think that from a writing point of view, theres a reason Jon was the 998th commander of the nights watch. more specifically, i think theres a reason we are so close to 1000. i think there will be a short lived interim Lord Commander that will take over after Jon, but will ultimately not last (for whatever reason), and then will be followed by the 1000th Lord Commander of the Nights Watch (ie: Stannis imo)

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i suspect we'll see Melisandre use her click stick in book 6. that bastard needs to be reborn amidst salt and smoke. at least hes free of the watch.

I am sure you read this http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/ but if not tons of fun stuff in there.

One of my new favorite theories is Jon will be brought back to life by Lady Stoneheart.

I am going off memory here but they say Jon will worg into ghost and then his body will be preserved in an ice cell. Melisandre who has never resurrected anyone and doesn't know how but knows Thoros did will then contact him who will then bring Lady Stoneheart to the wall.

Before she gets to the wall Lady Stoneheart will come across Howland Reed and will learn Jons true parents R+J. Feeling guilty about how she treated him all his life she will forgive Ned and Jon and then she will the pass life from her to Jon which will kill Lady Stoneheart like it did Beric Dondarrion.

Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone

We know the smoke and salt part.. but could the dragon being woken out of stone be from lady Stoneheart? She awakes the dragon (Jon) out of stone(her).

Anyway I like this theory.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Poor Stannis. he may need to die indeed. but maybe not. if he actually is Azor Azai, and if lightbringer is actually the men of the nights watch, then its a perfect fit for him to lead the watch.

but more likely, Melisandre (whom i believe to be the least talented of the 3 red priests, thoros and moqorro being the other two) has been seeing future visions of Jon in her fires, and not Stannis.

If Stannis does die, well then we have Gendry and Edric, one (or both) of them can be legitimized, and become the new Lord of the Baratheon house.

If Stannis does not die.. well thats a pickle. firstly because Stannis sees himself as the rightful king, he WILL NOT bend the knee to any one else. if he was willing to kill Renly, hes not pledging fealty to anyone else. he can't be king of the north, because hes not of the north. not to mention Rickon is still alive, and Sansa is to be married to Harry the Heir, which would unite the vale of Arryn and the North, again, leaving no place for Stannis.

at the wall, Stannis can be lord commander, as well as get away with not kneeling before any other king, furthermore, he would not be subject to the whims of whoever the king may end up being.

i just think that from a writing point of view, theres a reason Jon was the 998th commander of the nights watch. more specifically, i think theres a reason we are so close to 1000. i think there will be a short lived interim Lord Commander that will take over after Jon, but will ultimately not last (for whatever reason), and then will be followed by the 1000th Lord Commander of the Nights Watch (ie: Stannis imo)

Not thought about Stannis becoming LC. I do like the idea though, he fits so well with the position.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am sure you read this http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/ but if not tons of fun stuff in there.

One of my new favorite theories is Jon will be brought back to life by Lady Stoneheart.

I am going off memory here but they say Jon will worg into ghost and then his body will be preserved in an ice cell. Melisandre who has never resurrected anyone and doesn't know how but knows Thoros did will then contact him who will then bring Lady Stoneheart to the wall.

Before she gets to the wall Lady Stoneheart will come across Howland Reed and will learn Jons true parents R+J. Feeling guilty about how she treated him all his life she will forgive Ned and Jon and then she will the pass life from her to Jon which will kill Lady Stoneheart like it did Beric Dondarrion.



We know the smoke and salt part.. but could the dragon being woken out of stone be from lady Stoneheart? She awakes the dragon (Jon) out of stone(her).

Anyway I like this theory.

i dont read reddit at all unless im linked there for a particular thing. so i have absolutely no idea whats in that thread(s) but ill check it out after i post this.

Lady Stoneheart can't bring folks back to life, that's Thoros. Catelyn didnt like Jon, why would Lady Stoneheart? i think it's more likely that Melisandre will be able to rezz, and it's much easier to do geographically/chronologically. Remember that Stoneheart is in the Riverlands waiting for Brienne to bring Jaime to her.

as far as Jon, the prologue informs us that it's possible to worg into your animal, if the worg/person was to die. and then Melisandre foreshadows it in that paragraph in book 5 where she tells Jon to keep Ghost close by. as much as i'm not a fan of Jon Snow, i have accepted him as a central point of the story. that being said, i'm convinced hes not perma dead. hes too honorable to break his vows and abandon the watch, "dying" gives him an out. and yep, the body would be preserved in the ice cell.

SOMEONE needs to bump into Howland Reed. maybe Stoneheart, but maybe not. and if she learned this info, would she even care? shes clearly emotionally damaged at this point. as far as sacrificing herself... why? Beric was killed and rezzed like 5 times before he was to weak to keep doing it, thats why he gave up his life for hers. now granted Catelyns corpse was pretty fucked up, and so maybe shes to weak to even survive one rezz. Personally i think the Howland Reed and his men will pledge to support Jon Snow (however, remember that is R+L=J is true, then Jon comes AFTER Bran and Rickon in the line of succession).

the stone dragon. im not sure. it could be a metaphor for a conqueror that comes from Dragon Stone. it could be a dragon under the wall, or something to do with the wall itself. it could be the fabled dragon under Winterfell. maybe Aegon will get greyscale, and then he would literally be "The Stone Dragon". lots of possibilities, not enough solid info.

personally i havent heard your StoneheartRezzesJon theory before, but its surely possible [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not thought about Stannis becoming LC. I do like the idea though, he fits so well with the position.

if he isnt killed in battle, its really the only path i see as viable for him. Hell, if Dany takes the Iron Throne, she could easily sentence Stannis to serve out his days at the wall, and then it's not even Stannis's choice at that point

[Kimm Barely]

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[Sirken]

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she reminds me of a female version of Tywin.

fawk, imagine if Tywin married Olenna Redwyne (Tyrell) instead of his own cousin Joanna. that would have been the most dangerous couple in westeros. Sadly, Tywinn loved Joanna, and Olenna hated the Lannisters (in SoS, an early Sansa chapter, we learn that in her youth she almost married a member of House Targaryen, but Olenna did everything she could to make sure it never came to fruition).

only thing is, i have no idea how old the QoT actually is.

[Funkutron5000]

Shocking no one, the Queen of Thorns owned again.

Also, I was a little surprised that Ros already bit it. I figured she was gonna take Dontos' place helping get Sansa out of King's Landing/ dying. At least she died how she lived, full of shafts.

[Sirken]

lol, she did indeed. i felt Roz was in danger for awhile now, since there was no place for her in the vale, her only chance was to buddy up with Tyrion.

any idea what Melisandre was talking about when she was talking about the "eyes" staring back at her from inside Arya?

also, looks like they are merging Edric Storm and Gendry into one character.

next week.... BEAR PITS!

[Funkutron5000]

The bear and the maiden fair, indeed.

The eyes? I'm guessing it's either all the people she will kill or all the different faces she will wear while doing the killing. I can't remember if GRRM said that her eye color changed when she changed her face for her assassination.

I can't blame them for a lot of the character merges. They only get ~9-10 hours per season, so limiting the cast isn't the worst thing. It takes time to introduce characters! Also, with them working so closely with GRRM it probably means Gendry doesn't really have an important role left in the books, otherwise untangling this Mereneese knot will be a bitch.