WoW TBC server

[Auvdar]

Can't remember if ret paladins were great at this era, or just "Better than what they were". I know they got pretty good later on (either end of TBC or in WotLK).

[snwbrdr642]

Originally Posted by Auvdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't remember if ret paladins were great at this era, or just "Better than what they were". I know they got pretty good later on (either end of TBC or in WotLK).

Ret paladins are garbo the entire expansion, they are only brought in on a few T6 fights to keep seals refreshed with crusader strike. Even at that point they're never considered necessary.

Ret isn't a thing until wraith. Same with boomkins.

[Karafa]

Ret is viable, but not so much to those who want to min max. Warlocks are extremely strong in TBC as well.

Beta by the end of next month mark my words!

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Karafa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ret is viable, but not so much to those who want to min max. Warlocks are extremely strong in TBC as well.

Beta by the end of next month mark my words!

Ret was not viable until 3.0; it was a pretty poor spec for the entire expansion. But when 3.0 dropped it was the most overpowered spec WoW has ever seen--for a short while, and it slowly tapered off in power as Wrath progressed.

TBC was a bad time for paladins in general in pvp. Holy paladins were too easy to control, and prot didn't have the kind of gimmicks it was given in Wrath. Even in PvE Holy was kind of disappointing for anything other than brute force main-tank healing efficiency.

[Karafa]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ret was not viable until 3.0; it was a pretty poor spec for the entire expansion. But when 3.0 dropped it was the most overpowered spec WoW has ever seen--for a short while, and it slowly tapered off in power as Wrath progressed.

TBC was a bad time for paladins in general in pvp. Holy paladins were too easy to control, and prot didn't have the kind of gimmicks it was given in Wrath. Even in PvE Holy was kind of disappointing for anything other than brute force main-tank healing efficiency.

Nihilum had Paladin's off-tanking up to and through BT. S3/S4 Arena was dominated by Prot Paladins in Holy gear partnered with a Prot Warrior, and Ret dps is no where near as poor as you're portraying it to be in this era.

[Noselacri]

Ret DPS is pretty horrible in TBC. If you have great gear, are very skilled and work absurdly hard, you can just exactly reach the level of the worst geared/skilled/half-assing people playing actual DPS classes. On top of this, a ret paladin brings almost nothing that a prot and a couple of holy paladins don't cover, both of which should be present in almost all raids. To make matters worse, ret is barely viable for alliance since your DPS drops by like 20% if you don't have Seal of Blood.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ret was not viable until 3.0; it was a pretty poor spec for the entire expansion. But when 3.0 dropped it was the most overpowered spec WoW has ever seen--for a short while, and it slowly tapered off in power as Wrath progressed.

TBC was a bad time for paladins in general in pvp. Holy paladins were too easy to control, and prot didn't have the kind of gimmicks it was given in Wrath. Even in PvE Holy was kind of disappointing for anything other than brute force main-tank healing efficiency.

Ret did great in 3.3. Never had any problems with ret dps in ICC. It was terrible in ulduar / ToC, though.

edit: and yeah, ret was a charity case in TBC. Sometimes you had one but not because you needed one, lol.