The P Word: A Public Service Announcement

[azeth]

I was under the impression Pickpocketing provided an entirely seperate loot table available to the Rogue.

Meaning you're not pickpocketing loot that could drop, you're pickpocketing loot that could only be attained via pickpocketing. (note i dont mean different loot, just 2 different tables)

[Kani]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was under the impression Pickpocketing provided an entirely seperate loot table available to the Rogue.

The answer to this is "Yes and No."
Initially back in classic EQ, when a rogue used his/her pickpocket skill it came from the regular loot table. In other words if ORC0001 had 2gp 3sp as his total drop loot, and the rogue pp'ed 1gp 2sp , then whoever looted the corpse would get the remaining 1gp 1sp. Similar to xp penalties this was something that players eventually figured out. Thus began a period of people bitching about rogues, accusing them of stealing all the loot, even if they weren't. So we became scapegoats if the loot drop wasn't up to some people's standards.

Eventually, and I'm pretty sure it was before Kunark, SOE added the change that took picked items and coin from a seperate loot table. I tried to find the patch notes from back in the day, but couldn't. Currently on my rogue, my favorite EQ class, I usually only pp in groups on occasion, or I'll ask if it's cool as long I do a split. I'm really looking forward to them changing the shared loot table for pickpocketing as it is kind of frustrating. Especially when a second rogue joins the group and commences to pick every mob practically clean of coin and loot.

[BeelzeBob]

Originally Posted by Kani [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eventually, and I'm pretty sure it was before Kunark, SOE added the change that took picked items and coin from a seperate loot table.

Not even. If this change was ever made it was well after Luclin.

[Merrik]

Originally Posted by BeelzeBob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not even. If this change was ever made it was well after Luclin.

This change was definitely made at some point, I remember it being in effect at some point when i played my Rogue on live, which was during the Sullon Zek era, so luclin sounds like pretty good estimate as to the general time frame it went in.

Just to add, I have zero issues with rogue's Pick Pocketing, I do however have an issue with rogues being able to pick pocket high end gems from mobs that have them. God knows if I PPed something like that, I wouldn't tell a soul until I had full jewelry gear made out of it and had sold a ton of them.

[astarothel]

I wouldn't care so much if it was cash only, but yeah. Gems, etc? Not cool.

If I see a rogue pping off mobs that can have valuable vendor trash, he can stop or I can leave the group, it's that simple. I don't care if it's 1 in 6 or 1 in 1000. I don't care if it's a class ability, your job in a group is to dps, not pad your pocketbook at the expense of rest of your group. You are a dps and can easily be replaced.

[scecie]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wouldn't care so much if it was cash only, but yeah. Gems, etc? Not cool.

If I see a rogue pping off mobs that can have valuable vendor trash, he can stop or I can leave the group, it's that simple. I don't care if it's 1 in 6 or 1 in 1000. I don't care if it's a class ability, your job in a group is to dps, not pad your pocketbook at the expense of rest of your group. You are a dps and can easily be replaced.

I disagree. It is a class skill that is integrated into the game for a reason. It's not your job to define what a class can and cannot do, the game design does that. From a roleplay perspective you get a shifty eyed klepto in the group who can't help himself.

Of course, it's Norrath and you can pick who you group with one way or another.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wouldn't care so much if it was cash only, but yeah. Gems, etc? Not cool.

If I see a rogue pping off mobs that can have valuable vendor trash, he can stop or I can leave the group, it's that simple. I don't care if it's 1 in 6 or 1 in 1000. I don't care if it's a class ability, your job in a group is to dps, not pad your pocketbook at the expense of rest of your group. You are a dps and can easily be replaced.

Then you should Pay the rogue plat to NOT use his ability like clerics charge plat to use their ability

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then you should Pay the rogue plat to NOT use his ability like clerics charge plat to use their ability

Exactly, and as someone else stated, alot of rogues just incorporated it into thier BS macro hotkey anyway. Its part of the game deal with it.

[frefaln]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wouldn't care so much if it was cash only, but yeah. Gems, etc? Not cool.

.... says the person who, at any time, can do a sweep of MM and Guk and make a fortune off rezzes.

[Kani]

Originally Posted by BeelzeBob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not even. If this change was ever made it was well after Luclin.

If so, I stand corrected. However I would love to see the patch notes from when this change went in, for my own piece of mind.

As a couple people in the thread mentioned, it really is a minor issue. A Rogue most likely isn't going to get rich pp'ing in a group. It's just that there are some people who like to make a mountain out of a molehill over everything. I think Straif put it best with the image and comment [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]