Senate fails the country again.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Black Jesus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The first amendment does not have a separation of church and state clause

naw...one of the writers just used the term in "expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause"...

but hey...he just helped draft it and all

[Black Jesus]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

naw...one of the writers just used the term in "expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause"...

but hey...he just helped draft it and all

the Court has not always interpreted the constitutional principle as absolute, and the proper extent of separation between government and religion in the U.S. remains an ongoing subject of impassioned debate.[3][4][5][6]

GOD BLESS COURTHOUSES WITH THE 10 COMMANDMENTS AND POLICE STATIONS WITH CHRISTMAS TREES

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

90 million of whom will be sucking dicks for french fries after less than a week of cave living...don't knock the Afghanis...

this is actually a good time to bring up the fact that framer's intent probably meant the right to bear arms in order to have a militia so there could be organized resistance to government...but there is no militia and no organization so it's just a bunch of tools. 100 million rednecks spattering their driveways with assault weapons fire while Apache gunships, heavy artillery and drones blow them all to smithereens.

Fuck yeah! Merica!

There are literally thousands of citizen militias. You like to quote Jefferson, maybe understand why he removed commas when ratifying the second amendment to give people the personal right to bear arms, regardless of militia involvement.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Black Jesus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the Court has not always interpreted the constitutional principle as absolute, and the proper extent of separation between government and religion in the U.S. remains an ongoing subject of impassioned debate.

GOD BLESS COURTHOUSES WITH THE 10 COMMANDMENTS AND POLICE STATIONS WITH CHRISTMAS TREES

So the Quran would be OK next to it? Or is it just your religion that's allowed?

Originally Posted by Black Jesus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are literally thousands of citizen militias. You like to quote Jefferson, maybe understand why he removed commas when ratifying the second amendment to give people the personal right to bear arms, regardless of militia involvement.

Eight different forms of the 2nd Amendment were ratified by the states. No one had a clue what they were ratifying and everyone is still arguing about it today.

Some states prohibit militias. Like California. And I hope you aren't suggesting that the various citizen militias are in any way organized, coordinated, or able to effectively ban together to defeat an attack from a tyrannical government.

Besides. We don't need no organimization. Merica!

[Black Jesus]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the Quran would be OK next to it? Or is it just your religion that's allowed?

The 10 commandments are Islamic. Also let's not make assumptions pertaining to my religion.

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eight different forms of the 2nd Amendment were ratified by the states. No one had a clue what they were ratifying and everyone is still arguing about it today.

Some states prohibit militias. Like California. And I hope you aren't suggesting that the various citizen militias are in any way organized, coordinated, or able to effectively ban together to defeat an attack from a tyrannical government.

Besides. We don't need no organimization. Merica!

It doesn't matter what the states ratified, what matters is what Jefferson put into the constitution, with his pen strokes guided by the power of Jesus.

CA does have militias, they just disguise themselves as bowling clubs. Actually some don't even go that far. I'm surprised it hasn't been challenged more in the courts actually.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Black Jesus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The 10 commandments are Islamic. Also let's not make assumptions pertaining to my religion.

I didn't. You inferred Christianity, did u not? Christmas trees (new testament) and 10 commandments? If you'd been talking Hanukkah I'd have figured Jadaism. But the pen strokes of Jesus...

Originally Posted by Black Jesus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't matter what the states ratified, what matters is what Jefferson put into the constitution, with his pen strokes guided by the power of Jesus.

which brings us back to what he meant about separation of church and state. he's the one that explained it...then you brought courts and stuffz up. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Black Jesus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

CA does have militias, they just disguise themselves as bowling clubs. Actually some don't even go that far. I'm surprised it hasn't been challenged more in the courts actually.

Me too tbh. But the point stands about none of them being what the framers had in mind about militias.

Let me here call your attention to that part which gives the Congress power "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such a part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States -- reserving to the states, respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress." By this, sir, you see that their control over our last and best defense is unlimited. If they neglect or refuse to discipline or arm our militia, they will be useless: the states can do neither -- this power being exclusively given to Congress. The power of appointing officers over men not disciplines or armed is ridiculous; so that this pretended little remains of power left to the states may, at the pleasure of Congress, be rendered nugatory. . . . Will the oppressor let go of the oppressed? Can the annal of mankind exhibit one single example where rulers overcharged with power willingly let go of the oppressed, though solicited and requested most earnestly? The application for amendments will therefore be fruitless. Sometimes the oppressed have got loose by one of those bloody struggles that desolate a country; but a willing relinquishment of power is one of those things which human nature never was, nor ever will be, capable of.

[Black Jesus]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't. You inferred Christianity, did u not? Christmas trees (new testament) and 10 commandments? If you'd been talking Hanukkah I'd have figured Jadaism. But the pen strokes of Jesus...

Messianic Judaism

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Me too tbh. But the point stands about none of them being what the framers had in mind about militias.

Let me here call your attention to that part which gives the Congress power "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such a part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States -- reserving to the states, respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress." By this, sir, you see that their control over our last and best defense is unlimited. If they neglect or refuse to discipline or arm our militia, they will be useless: the states can do neither -- this power being exclusively given to Congress. The power of appointing officers over men not disciplines or armed is ridiculous; so that this pretended little remains of power left to the states may, at the pleasure of Congress, be rendered nugatory. . . . Will the oppressor let go of the oppressed? Can the annal of mankind exhibit one single example where rulers overcharged with power willingly let go of the oppressed, though solicited and requested most earnestly? The application for amendments will therefore be fruitless. Sometimes the oppressed have got loose by one of those bloody struggles that desolate a country; but a willing relinquishment of power is one of those things which human nature never was, nor ever will be, capable of.

One interesting note about the Bill of Rights is they weren't included at first because they were just kind of de facto. Common knowledge at the time. Their addition was seen as superfluous. Gun ownership by citizens, freedom of religion, etc. were just a given and no big deal in the era.