Senate fails the country again.

[Humerox]

Nobody has brought up the fact that the bill wasn't "defeated" at all.

The vote on a bipartisan bill backed by the majority of Americans was blocked by a special-interest minority.

Revel in the fact that Fascism has trumped Freedom.

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fail logic is fail.

A lock will not prevent someone from breaking into your house, if they want to get in they will get in.

A gun's existance will not prevent anyone from breaking into your house for fear that you may have a gun, it will cause them to kill you rather than hold you hostage because you are not simply their victem, you are a potential threat.

I wonder if we can apply this logic to criminals getting guns? Hmmmmmmmmm?

And I can assure you, I am a hell of a lot more than a "potential threat" to anyone breaking into my house.

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The vote on a bipartisan bill backed by the majority of Americans was blocked by a special-interest minority.

Please cite sources that prove that the majority of Americans supported the bill.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Millburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love how people think the 2nd amendment was made for personal firearm use. It was established to protect the states right to form and maintain their own militia.

right on the first account, since the first amendment wasn't made for personal firearm use

100% incorrect on the second. it was made for the people to defend themselves from tyrannical government.

also, background checks will do nothing to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. the background checks will only help to create a government sponsored database of gun-owners for future disarmament.

and that's what makes it unconstitutional.

[Millburn]

You guys are still on this kick that most armed homicides are done by career criminals and shit. Gun regulation is effective by taking out the tool upon impulse, which is what most crimes are committed on. There's a reason why pre-meditated murder holds a steeper penatly.

You're right that if someone wants to get their hands on a gun than they most likely will if they put in enough effort to get one. The people who go through that effort is a super small percentage of the crimes committed though and is not the target of gun regulation.

Honestly though... gun regulation is like icing on a cake the real body of the issue lays in the socio-economic field. Poverty and lack of social mobility are some of the biggest factors that contribute to gun violence or violence in general. It just so happens we have the 2nd lowest rate of social mobility in all the OECD countries. Perhaps fixing things like minimum wage, health care, and other factors might be a better fix in the end. That's a dream though, because we'll still have idiots like Rush Limbaugh and the people who listen to him following suit to scream bloody murder and justify the legislation special interests push through our politicians.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Millburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys are still on this kick that most armed homicides are done by career criminals and shit.

Please quote your source that has any influence to the contrary.

Originally Posted by Millburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gun regulation is effective by taking out the tool upon impulse, which is what most crimes are committed on.

Pipe dream.

[Millburn]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please quote your source.

I've got 8 years of education and a masters in sociology to back up what I say. I'm not going to sort through FBI documentation to find you sources. Go look them up yourself and take the initiative to challenge your own assumption.

[Samoht]

sociology != criminology

amirite?

i'm guessing you're not going to oblige because the statistics will not back your position.

now lets get into the actual meaning behind the gun change laws. in the recent events of sandy hook and aurora, a couple of outliers committed crimes against civilians. they are outliers in two ways: a large majority of people will never commit these kinds of crimes, and the weapons they used are not the weapons normally used in these kinds of crimes.

the reality is that these people needed help, and our health care system failed them.

gun control isn't going to stop the next sandy hook or aurora. if you look at the UK as an example, they had a rise in crime for a few years before any positive change after they had complete civilian disarmament, but the UK is different from the US because it has virtually always been illegal for civilians to own weapons dating back to the 1100's.

the UK just wasn't as saturated as the US is with guns, so initiating gun control in the US will A) increase crime and B) maintain a high level of crime for a much longer period of time than the UK did.

these background checks are just for a database for the national government to monitor gun owners.

and that's not very free.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

these background checks are just for a database for the national government to monitor gun owners.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

these background checks are just for a database for the national government to monitor gun owners.

Yep, fox news addicts. Here's the proof. Enjoy your tinfoil hat.