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Old 07-07-2010, 01:07 PM
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Ok, well that is what I wanted to know. Thanks!
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Old 07-07-2010, 01:15 PM
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I believe this is still open for discussion. There are two issues here...

1 - The class/race penalties should stay in, and will stay in. That's classic and was by design.

2 - That the class/race penalties affected a GROUP's xp gain was an acknowledged bug back in the Verant days (once they fixed it anyway). There is a thread here somewhere discussing this in more detail. Since it was a BUG, it should get fixed here too.

Can someone (nilbog? aeol?) step in and comment? I'd hate for our beloved ugly Trolls (and others with xp penalties) to start disappearing from our server! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 07-07-2010, 07:19 PM
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I believe this is still open for discussion. There are two issues here...

1 - The class/race penalties should stay in, and will stay in. That's classic and was by design.

2 - That the class/race penalties affected a GROUP's xp gain was an acknowledged bug back in the Verant days (once they fixed it anyway). There is a thread here somewhere discussing this in more detail. Since it was a BUG, it should get fixed here too.

Can someone (nilbog? aeol?) step in and comment? I'd hate for our beloved ugly Trolls (and others with xp penalties) to start disappearing from our server! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Classic yes....by design hell no.

The Devs stated later that they completely fucked up by having class/race penalties in at all because hybrids weren't really all that much better than any other class. The only reason they had them in the beginning was because they were DnD nerds and DnD had them for hybrid classes.

It's a stupid mechanic, even they admitted it.

It also adds nothing to the server by having them.
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Old 07-07-2010, 07:40 PM
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I agree with Rogue 100%, it was a bad idea and they later fixed it. I don't see why mistakes have to be replicated.
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Old 07-07-2010, 07:49 PM
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They prohibited multi-boxing to "promote group health" even though you could multi-box in classic. I don't see why they can't make another exception to remove the group XP penalty sharing to also "promote group health".

I get it... I rolled a hybrid. A ranger. I knew what I was getting into. My groupmates should not have to knowingly suffer for the challenge I took on myself.

The difference from classic is that 'knowingly' part. :P
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Old 07-07-2010, 10:13 PM
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They prohibited multi-boxing to "promote group health" even though you could multi-box in classic. I don't see why they can't make another exception to remove the group XP penalty sharing to also "promote group health".

I get it... I rolled a hybrid. A ranger. I knew what I was getting into. My groupmates should not have to knowingly suffer for the challenge I took on myself.

The difference from classic is that 'knowingly' part. :P
I gotta agree with this argument 100%

Promoting group health >>>>>>>>> 100% classic purism, and even the developers agree to at least some extent, given that they prohibit multiboxing.
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Old 08-04-2010, 08:02 AM
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Classic yes....by design hell no.

The Devs stated later that they completely fucked up by having class/race penalties in at all because hybrids weren't really all that much better than any other class. The only reason they had them in the beginning was because they were DnD nerds and DnD had them for hybrid classes.

It's a stupid mechanic, even they admitted it.

It also adds nothing to the server by having them.

They said they fucked up with CLASS penalties...but they explained why they thought the race penalties should be in place...For example...Ogre vs Halfling warriors...Ogres are better tanks..no frontal stun..slam etc. There's a post on it in the archives of allakhazam or something.
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Old 07-07-2010, 10:35 PM
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I was upset about this at first when I noticed my exp slow down a bit, but what really hurts exp gain seems to be the level of the people in your group. If I get a royals group with a bunch of people 8 levels higher than me, i get pretty bad exp. If I get a windows group with people my level, the exp is much quicker.

I was duoing with a ranger last night and I got half of my level and had a great time. I am even in a hell level (shared that exp penalty with him?) So I don't really care about that anymore. And I have yet to see anyone turn down, or even mention hybrid exp penalties, and every group i have been in since the patch have had hybrids in it. I mean, if you are going to do that, then no one in a hell level should group with you either, right? You'd be subjecting people to your horrible penalty! But once again, ive yet to see this first hand.
I am more upset about sharing hell level exp, since it didn't seem to happen in classic?

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I believe this is still open for discussion. There are two issues here...

1 - The class/race penalties should stay in, and will stay in. That's classic and was by design.

2 - That the class/race penalties affected a GROUP's xp gain was an acknowledged bug back in the Verant days (once they fixed it anyway). There is a thread here somewhere discussing this in more detail. Since it was a BUG, it should get fixed here too.

Can someone (nilbog? aeol?) step in and comment? I'd hate for our beloved ugly Trolls (and others with xp penalties) to start disappearing from our server! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
If the community as a whole decided that they did not want the penalties in, is that something that would ever be changed?
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Old 08-03-2010, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Malrubius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
I believe this is still open for discussion. There are two issues here...

1 - The class/race penalties should stay in, and will stay in. That's classic and was by design.

2 - That the class/race penalties affected a GROUP's xp gain was an acknowledged bug back in the Verant days (once they fixed it anyway). There is a thread here somewhere discussing this in more detail. Since it was a BUG, it should get fixed here too.

Can someone (nilbog? aeol?) step in and comment? I'd hate for our beloved ugly Trolls (and others with xp penalties) to start disappearing from our server! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I lean towards bug and should not be in the game.
We want classic...not buggy. Not retarded. It should be classic in the sense of the game not exactly.
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Old 08-03-2010, 07:06 PM
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I lean towards bug and should not be in the game.
We want classic...not buggy. Not retarded. It should be classic in the sense of the game not exactly.
Everything about classic was tedious, time consuming, and difficult, the shared penalties fit right in!
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