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[Allizia]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lawl bet not.

With the right tools it's really not that hard to get a cut up version of the stock DB that resembles classic. I know for a fact I can redo Nek forest(a zone that pretty much needs to be completely recreated, most do not) within 3 hours, because I've done it.

Remove out of era NPC's (15 min)
Change models for some of the spiders etc (10 min)
Redo pathing grids from scratch (1 hour)
Redo/adjust lootdrops and loottables (1 hour)
Recreate and Adjust a few NPC's and stats/levels for existing(20 min)

Is it fine tuned? No. Is The Sleeper fine tuned? No. Do I have any desire to actual do it and deal with peoples problems? No.

I'm just saying they don't have much done for the amount of time they have been working on it, with the exception of a few specific changes such as AC calculations.

[Kevynne]

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With the right tools it's really not that hard to get a cut up version of the stock DB that resembles classic. I know for a fact I can redo Nek forest(a zone that pretty much needs to be completely recreated, most do not) within 3 hours, because I've done it.

Remove out of era NPC's (15 min)
Change models for some of the spiders etc (10 min)
Redo pathing grids from scratch (1 hour)
Redo/adjust lootdrops and loottables (1 hour)
Recreate and Adjust a few NPC's and stats/levels for existing(20 min)

Is it fine tuned? No. Is The Sleeper fine tuned? No. Do I have any desire to actual do it and deal with peoples problems? No.

I'm just saying they don't have much done for the amount of time they have been working on it, with the exception of a few specific changes such as AC calculations.

you do realize they've most likely been concentrating on the ac shit and xp since day one, and putting off the smaller stuff till later.... right?

also double xp in hotzones. 1 hr in bb went from 9.05 to 10.1

[Allizia]

Originally Posted by Kevynne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you do realize they've most likely been concentrating on the ac shit and xp since day one, and putting off the smaller stuff till later.... right?

also double xp in hotzones. 1 hr in bb went from 9.05 to 10.1

The point remains, the easy shit takes no time, so why would they release like this after spending so much time working on other aspects of the server? When I cook a steak I don't spend a day working on perfecting the marinade just to half-ass cook it in 2 minutes. Most of the broken quests probably just need updated itemID's.

Focusing on experience seems to have backfired, as many people have already quit because of it.

Also,

It's double hotzone modifier (15% -> 30%), not double experience. It still sucks, and your choices are limited since you are stuck in a hotzone to see any gain.

[Nune]

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point remains, the easy shit takes no time, so why would they release like this after spending so much time working on other aspects of the server? When I cook a steak I don't spend a day working on perfecting the marinade just to half-ass cook it in 2 minutes. Most of the broken quests probably just need updated itemID's.

Focusing on experience seems to have backfired, as many people have already quit because of it.

Also,

It's double hotzone modifier (15% -> 30%), not double experience. It still sucks, and your choices are limited since you are stuck in a hotzone to see any gain.

You are a poster child to my complete confusion as to why people HATE that server. Same thing happened when Red launched; /ooc in EC became a forum for people to rant for days about how bad EQ PvP is and how broken the game/server is and how shitty Red will be and how "you'll all come crawling back."

Life is all perception my friend. You say you can code Nek in 3 hours, so why don't you? I 0% believe that to be true, but that's just my opinion. You could: re-do Nek, and send it to Sleeper as a working zone that dozens of players would benefit from being fixed. OR. Be an elitist faggot on the wrong server's forums and post endless faggy paragraphs about how bad everything is, and how much better it could be: just being an all around faggot in general. Which path did you take, young Jedi?

The server's thriving for a week 1 launch. Red had 600+ on day 1, 200 avg in a few weeks; I guess I fail to see the population loss point as a doomsday scenario. You can box there, raiding is on a token system, a P99 size pop is not needed to play the content there: THAT was the focus, THAT was what the GM's prioritized. Kegz sits in game, listens to /ooc, listens to peoples tells, patches and resets the server live for the bigger issues, adjusted XP up when it was too low (still is, but its playable now). Hell, i gave him a small list of shit that was very broke lastnight and he added it to the shit to be patched today.

Haters wanna hate, Lovers wanna love, I don't want to do, none of the above, I want to piss on you.

[Allizia]

Originally Posted by Nune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are a poster child to my complete confusion as to why people HATE that server. Same thing happened when Red launched; /ooc in EC became a forum for people to rant for days about how bad EQ PvP is and how broken the game/server is and how shitty Red will be and how "you'll all come crawling back."

Life is all perception my friend. You say you can code Nek in 3 hours, so why don't you? I 0% believe that to be true, but that's just my opinion. You could: re-do Nek, and send it to Sleeper as a working zone that dozens of players would benefit from being fixed. OR. Be an elitist faggot on the wrong server's forums and post endless faggy paragraphs about how bad everything is, and how much better it could be: just being an all around faggot in general. Which path did you take, young Jedi?

The server's thriving for a week 1 launch. Red had 600+ on day 1, 200 avg in a few weeks; I guess I fail to see the population loss point as a doomsday scenario. You can box there, raiding is on a token system, a P99 size pop is not needed to play the content there: THAT was the focus, THAT was what the GM's prioritized. Kegz sits in game, listens to /ooc, listens to peoples tells, patches and resets the server live for the bigger issues, adjusted XP up when it was too low (still is, but its playable now). Hell, i gave him a small list of shit that was very broke lastnight and he added it to the shit to be patched today.

Haters wanna hate, Lovers wanna love, I don't want to do, none of the above, I want to piss on you.

Play it if you want, I'm just sharing my experience. I use P99 as a comparison, but I don't play on any server.

Development-wise, The sleeper is 5-10% of P99, depending on how well they did the end game. I have serious doubts about their ability to close that gap at all. Both servers started from the base Project EQ Database (It was noticeable if you knew the signs, but not "in your face obvious" on P99, as it is with The Sleeper).

My time means more to me than playing on a half-assed, "hard-core" revenge server that spent 2 years developing a months worth of work. I would assume many others would feel the same way. The ignored beta feedback and sheer amount of obvious bugs straight from PEQ does not bode well for the server, how long until donations are demanded to prevent a shutdown? How much time will you invest in the server before that happens? It obviously wasn't created for a realistic emulation, making it a very niche server (zomg we haz Velious) that was pushed out ahead of competitors with very little effort put in. Do you really think that will change going forward? If the server was serious about it's goals, it would still be in Alpha/Beta.

The difference between this:

https://epicemu.com/forum/april-2013-patch-notes
Against the fence, patching easy and obvious stuff as it's pushed in front of him, not a good place to be when exploits and critical issues start showing up.

And these:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=98585
P99 has a solid dev team, sort of slow but steady, although they are very heavily bound by "classic", protecting what they have(limiting dev resources) and the need to meticulously research everything they do.

http://www.thehiddenforest.org/portal.php
THF has probably the most capable and unbound dev team I've seen on emu, although the "pay to win" trend is crap

http://www.eqclassic.org/roadmap.php
Like 5 years of development, starting pretty much from scratch, I would have to play it just to show respect to the commitment they have shown over time. Organized and pretty consistent.

Is not even comparable if any kind of quality or longevity matters to you.

Just because I can see the difference doesn't mean I have any desire to fix anything on their server. I'm rarely even at home long enough to start any projects. I did report a few exploits while I was there though, you're welcome.

[Nune]

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

blah blah blah I'm mad

You're too immersed in self-righteousness to be taken seriously. You're one less person bitching about the server in /ooc, beyond that you're some npcf. A hater can never truly enjoy something; for they will either express their efforts towards how bad it is, or how much better you could do it. Sound like you? I feel as though you're citing the fact you could code Nek ground up in 3 hours as some point of reference to how bad their dev team is. It says, right on the site, that this project is a group of people who know a lot about one thing, never claimed to have it all and done right.

Mad at pixels.
Sad at trolling.
Bad at basketball.

[Allizia]

Originally Posted by Nune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blah Blah... You're one less person bitching about the server in /ooc,

Actually, there are many less people bitching in /ooc over basic, easy to fix issues. People flat out begging for some kind of change or response 1 week in. Keep in mind, every person quitting over some issue vocally is likely shadowed by 10 that won't even bother saying anything.

https://epicemu.com/forum/xp
https://epicemu.com/forum/nek-forest...otzone-anymore
https://epicemu.com/forum/stonebrunt-mountains-asap-0
https://epicemu.com/forum/xp-changed-again
https://epicemu.com/forum/everfrost-area
https://epicemu.com/forum/teleport-pad-freeport
https://epicemu.com/forums/general-issues
http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.p...Sleeper/page16

Originally Posted by Nune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blah Blah Sound like you? I feel as though you're citing the fact you could code Nek ground up in 3 hours as some point of reference to how bad their dev team is.

Never said anything about "coding" nek. You don't need to "code" nek. You take the existing DB and change some entries to get Sleeper quality content (<-- This part is important. I'm not saying I could release a quality product in 3 hours, I'm saying I could release a banged up, half-assed, wannabe Nek similiar to the sleeper content in that time). It can be done in GM mode just as fast. About as complicated as your time sheet at McDonalds, to give a reference. Many zones haven't even been touched there. Regardless of how good or bad the dev team is, they released a pile of shit that could have been easily avoided/mitigated.

Originally Posted by Nune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It says, right on the site, that this project is a group of people who know a lot about one thing, never claimed to have it all and done right.

They can do whatever they want, and so can you and everyone else. I'm staying away because I can't see any quality or longevity in their product, and time isn't free, even on free servers.

[Kieu]

Originally Posted by Kevynne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you do realize they've most likely been concentrating on the ac shit and xp since day one, and putting off the smaller stuff till later.... right?

also double xp in hotzones. 1 hr in bb went from 9.05 to 10.1

lol, they sure did a grand job at xp since 'day one'. Considering a level 1 gets 1% from a wasp/bat. Vivid ideas.

Stop trying to defend a terrible server. What people will defend to get a guise and all other prenerf items. Unfortunately by the time that happens, and they're all nerfed, no one will be there.

[SamwiseRed]

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With the right tools it's really not that hard to get a cut up version of the stock DB that resembles classic. I know for a fact I can redo Nek forest(a zone that pretty much needs to be completely recreated, most do not) within 3 hours, because I've done it.

Remove out of era NPC's (15 min)
Change models for some of the spiders etc (10 min)
Redo pathing grids from scratch (1 hour)
Redo/adjust lootdrops and loottables (1 hour)
Recreate and Adjust a few NPC's and stats/levels for existing(20 min)

Is it fine tuned? No. Is The Sleeper fine tuned? No. Do I have any desire to actual do it and deal with peoples problems? No.

I'm just saying they don't have much done for the amount of time they have been working on it, with the exception of a few specific changes such as AC calculations.

p99 is still removing out of era NPCs and its been out for 3+ years. going to have to call bs on the time you think it would take to do all that.

[Allizia]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

p99 is still removing out of era NPCs and its been out for 3+ years. going to have to call bs on the time you think it would take to do all that.

I specifically mentioned that I was not counting the fine tuning. The research, testing and minor obscure details is what takes 95% of the time.

What I did say is that I could create content comparable to The Sleepers current content very quickly. It is not tuned or balanced well, and is pretty much a half-ass copy of the PEQ stock DB with some obvious stuff trimmed out.