multiple Azrael down 4v1 to the mighty <Force>

[Smedy]

force is coming on strong, very excited about the movement, if this server sees 3 strong guilds compete shit would be pretty amazing not going to lie

hopefully they can resist the temptation to get absorbed into the zerg

pras the champ for tryin

also pillar of frost is classic bros, lol

[Vileborg]

I get the point that Azrael thinks they are trying to make. They are trying to prove that it is only through their good will that we as Force are allowed to thrive on the server.

I completely disagree with that assessment. I and others within Azrael itself understand their recent actions to be folly. Azrael will never keep us from progressing and leveling. We will eventually have equal levels and at least partial gearing. Then you will see Nihilum hitting you from the front and Force poking you in the rear. Or is that the other way around?

Want proof? I'm starting to see less and less aggression between Nihilum and ourselves. We're still KoS, Nihilum will never need us but we both have a common enemy who is the greater evil and it is beginning to play out in the actions I'm seeing in game.

This is how bad it has gotten. We were PvP'ing in CoM against some Azrael. Azrael trains itself and I go in to rez because we're all just human beings playing a game and Mellow lost his level. So I go in and I grab my corpse and Mellow gives me c2 so I can get mana to rez. The whole time I'm medding I'm getting tells from people within Azrael telling me that as soon as I rez I'm going to get jumped and camped. I had over half a dozen tells from members of Azrael telling me to bail on the rez but because Mellow has helped us countless times I rez him anyway and offered to rez another that took xp death. Then I get another tell from an Azrael telling me to save myself because they are going to jump me and grief me so I gate and as I'm gating I see several rush in to stop me.

I know quite a few people in Azrael are unhappy with the decisions being handed down from Andis and Lite. Why don't you guys come join force. We got great leadership, we take care of each other and we have a good time with none of the drama. We're like an over-sized family who looks out for each and is interested in each others advancement. We do most of the content that you guys do so you won't even lose ground on the content. Most importantly, we don't condone the actions being ordered by members of Azrael's leadership and neither should you.

Velor

[Smedy]

So wait, force is considering azrael to be a bigger enemy then nihilum? Sounds to me force will become a nihilum feeder guild

Nihilum will always be the number one threat until they have been taken down from farming 95% of the raid mobs on the server on a weekly basis, if you don't agree it's probably because you're already swinging from tacos mexican beanbag in attempts to get pixels

Topdog coming from the bottom, working his way up, from rags to riches, the hard respectable road son, kim jong ill would be proud

[Sektor]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So wait, force is considering azrael to be a bigger enemy then nihilum? Sounds to me force will become a nihilum feeder guild

Nihilum will always be the number one threat until they have been taken down from farming 95% of the raid mobs on the server on a weekly basis, if you don't agree it's probably because you're already swinging from tacos mexican beanbag in attempts to get pixels

Topdog coming from the bottom, working his way up, from rags to riches, the hard respectable road son, kim jong ill would be proud

Nilly isnt farming our bind camp for hours, you're not even around to know what's going on.


Knyife myself, and gloinzz vs guido, mellowyellow, agatha, lokii - mellow dies, lokii dies, agatha dies, 5 mins later we plug, andis orders the entire guild to stay and com and farm our binds.

[KabanazyTZ]

If this even happened, I expect you're exaggerating the circumstances or misunderstanding them. The only person in your guild I would even consider camping right now, and several members of Azrael feel the same way, would be gloinzz. The orders from Kringe and Lite have been since a few hours after this started was no griefing.

I don't think Andis would do this, as Cyren and others can probably confirm. He attacked a group of you guys in seb, got skeaned and died. Members of your group ended up dying pve after this, and andis was good enough to drag all of your corpses out so you could rez and everyone went on their way.

No forum messages have been left saying the situation with you guys has changed, and there was nothing in the motd saying we were to be griefing you now. Therefore it is my understanding that this situation is being blown out of proportion.

[Vileborg]

This probably would have ended a long time ago but one of the two parties let their members camp the others lowbies and are still telling people to grief members.

Andis is mad because after he dragged our corpses Knife got jumped 2v1 so we went after the people that jumped him. Andis sent me a tell after that asking how we could do that after he dragged our corpses and the simple answer is that we were still getting attacked.

I'm not saying we were not benefiting from the alliance. Trust me the appreciation is one of the reasons we still care about certain members of Azrael. We may be at war but we still have a non-kos list of Azrael people. Which is why I rezzed Mellow when Azrael's own members were telling me to bail.

Again, thank you to all the Azrael who have helped us in the past and the roles you have played in our progression. We understand and affirm that you guys have been a huge help to us and we sincerely appreciate it. We understand we are on our own now and we're good with that. We look forward to open and honest PvP.

Velor

[Smedy]

terrible trollin from hb coming at us, watch out he calls it mind games

[KabanazyTZ]

Originally Posted by Vileborg [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I get the point that Azrael thinks they are trying to make. They are trying to prove that it is only through their good will that we as Force are allowed to thrive on the server.

I completely disagree with that assessment. I and others within Azrael itself understand their recent actions to be folly. Azrael will never keep us from progressing and leveling. We will eventually have equal levels and at least partial gearing. Then you will see Nihilum hitting you from the front and Force poking you in the rear. Or is that the other way around?

Want proof? I'm starting to see less and less aggression between Nihilum and ourselves. We're still KoS, Nihilum will never need us but we both have a common enemy who is the greater evil and it is beginning to play out in the actions I'm seeing in game.

This is how bad it has gotten. We were PvP'ing in CoM against some Azrael. Azrael trains itself and I go in to rez because we're all just human beings playing a game and Mellow lost his level. So I go in and I grab my corpse and Mellow gives me c2 so I can get mana to rez. The whole time I'm medding I'm getting tells from people within Azrael telling me that as soon as I rez I'm going to get jumped and camped. I had over half a dozen tells from members of Azrael telling me to bail on the rez but because Mellow has helped us countless times I rez him anyway and offered to rez another that took xp death. Then I get another tell from an Azrael telling me to save myself because they are going to jump me and grief me so I gate and as I'm gating I see several rush in to stop me.

I know quite a few people in Azrael are unhappy with the decisions being handed down from Andis and Lite. Why don't you guys come join force. We got great leadership, we take care of each other and we have a good time with none of the drama. We're like an over-sized family who looks out for each and is interested in each others advancement. We do most of the content that you guys do so you won't even lose ground on the content. Most importantly, we don't condone the actions being ordered by members of Azrael's leadership and neither should you.

Velor

Not going to go through each bolded statement. Just thought I'd bold some stuff I found curious.

First bolded statement, is the proof you so required Gloinzz about people like Velor and Roggeh having Xico with them zone to zone early in the morning.

My next point is that without key members of Azrael, < Force > would still be wiping in hate and fear probably even now. Without Nacht and Mellow getting you guys off the ground in those zones you wouldn't even half half the gear you do. Nacht did leave us to join you, but really we can do without his whining in all honesty.

Tell me, how did Brobb get 60? How many epics have you completed without Azrael assistance? We have helped you guys get where you were because the Nihilum zerg is a joke. They lure people to this server with loots and thus there has been no people joining the side that has been losing this fight ever since the low pop days.

If you want to understand the actions of people camping corpses and such, you have only to look at your own members actions. Sure it was unnecessary, and two wrongs don't make a right, but in this game acts of vengeance generally don't take this into account.

We've already gone through how this all started, with Boats being killed naked and him looking for payback. We've already gone through the fact that Wendolyn was not tagged when he killed Cyren. We've already gone through the fact that Brobb, Lite, Andis, Wendolyn, and Boats were in TS that night to get everything figured out and Brobb wanted everything put behind us and back to normal.

Now the key part of this is Gloinzz, I've known the guy since TZ days and I know what his interest in this game is. He doesn't and has never cared about server politics or what's happening with the end game guilds. His only care is to fight people he has a chance at beating.

I don't know how many times since the first few dentists came under the Azrael tag that Gloinzz has taken pot shots at them in /ooc or in /say or in /shout. He has been pissed this entire time because a pool of potential pvp targets was taken away by a guild alliance.

The first chance he got at denting this alliance and granting him a new pool of targets he took, regardless of Brobb's ruling on the situation, and the peace we had in place. Not only did he attack members of Azrael who were currently in a skirmish with Nihilum, but he came to the forums gloating about it.

So immediately Azrael leadership who was present at the time of this were pissed off and drastic actions were taken. However I can assure by the time I logged on a few hours later, we were not condoning any sort of grief action against Force. What you guys experienced and are still crying about was less than 3 hours of vengeance killing.

I don't really care what you guys do at this point, as I'm not scared of a single member in your guild. You guys can't do the content we can, you can barely do hate/fear which we stopped doing months ago (with the exception of draco and epic pieces). If you guys choose to join ranks and become a Nihilum puppet that's your choice, but I really thought your guild was better than that.

[Agatha]

Originally Posted by KabanazyTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what salt said.

pretty much this, lets restore the fucking alliance, put it behind us,i mean cmon we where helping u guys with epics, u guys where helping us. Cmon... now it only benifits nihi... please restore the alliance....