Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm afraid that's not strictly true. The argument for a God in RL is not proven and possibly never can be. But in p1999 s/he exists and it is unequivocally undeniable.

It is not the king that makes the framework of rules by which we govern ourself in this universe, it is God.

are you implying the staff = gods? because they dont. and i can guarantee you than Cazic Thule, Innoruuk, and the others do not want players killing any high end raid mobs.
its more like
gods = gods,
GMs/staff = different levels of law enforcement,
players = "citizens"

the staff has no plans or desire to dictate the raid scene to the players. it will be what you make it.

Originally Posted by Lyra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had a boss that used that analogy all the time...
Just going to say... even though I don't like cats...that is a terrible analogy!

I'm one of those peace loving hippie types. I like harmony. I don't like conflict. I attempt peaceful resolution all can agree to.

If there isn't one, I can fight for what I want. Though, I don't think anyone has to worry about me yet.....

I am totally against GM intervention.

fwiw, i cant stand cats either. Luclin would have been sexier with dog people imo.
oh, and i am also totally against GM intervention [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

are you implying the staff = gods? because they dont. and i can guarantee you than Cazic Thule, Innoruuk, and the others do not want players killing any high end raid mobs.
its more like
gods = gods,
GMs/staff = different levels of law enforcement,
players = "citizens"

the staff has no plans or desire to dictate the raid scene to the players. it will be what you make it.

Yep I'm saying exactly that. Staff are the gods and they lay down the law (and enforce it) hey I didn't like your analogy but ran with it. Your explanation above does not explain where the laws come from.

Still don't see why you are so against, actually no that's not the right words but rather not more positive for the general idea that the peasants (small guilds/casuals) should once in a bluemoon have a shot at some bugger raid targets - the top guilds still have their virtual monopoly/competition/namecalling-contest while the small guys get to see something more of the game.

win win imo.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep I'm saying exactly that. Staff are the gods and they lay down the law (and enforce it) hey I didn't like your analogy but ran with it. Your explanation above does not explain where the laws come from.

Still don't see why you are so against, actually no that's not the right words but rather not more positive for the general idea that the peasants (small guilds/casuals) should once in a bluemoon have a shot at some bugger raid targets - the top guilds still have their virtual monopoly/competition/namecalling-contest while the small guys get to see something more of the game.

win win imo.

ah well, you're wrong. we arent gods. i never meant to imply that we were the gods. we are watchers that try to keep order amongst the chaos. personally i think the raid scene will still get worse before it gets better. if i was any guild besides TMO/FE, i have a pretty solid way to take their mobs, not all of them, not even close. but snatch a few traks and see what happens. and before any QQs about how impossible it is to steal trak, take a moment to stfu and think out side the box for a few minutes. its much much easier than most of you realize.

and my personal opinion on rotations has no bearing on the situation. personally i think they are retarded, unrewarding, and essentially free handouts, but its also not up to me to decide. everybody enjoys different things. you might really enjoy something i think to be dumb, and vice versa. neither of us is right or wrong for our thinking, we do what makes us happy.

but as it stands right now, the staff will absolutely not dictate to the players how the raid scene will work between guilds, and that includes forcing a rotation.

that being said, just as we wont force a rotation on the guilds, if the guilds did work out a rotation, the staff would not get in the way.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and my personal opinion on rotations has no bearing on the situation. personally i think they are retarded, unrewarding, and essentially free handouts,

I fail to see how a small guild on a rotation with as much likelyhood to wipe on a mob as it is to kill it (thus losing their shot at it) is considered a free hand out, yet joining a zerg force and standing in a dkp line is not.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I fail to see how a small guild on a rotation with as much likelyhood to wipe on a mob as it is to kill it (thus losing their shot at it) is considered a free hand out, yet joining a zerg force and standing in a dkp line is not.

luckily, as noted in the words you quoted,

"my personal opinion on rotations has no bearing on the situation"

do i agree with zerg tactics? nope. i spent most of my eq life fighting the zerg (hi Aerist and H.E.C.K alliance)

back on live, guilds use to brag about being able to kill a mob with LESS people than the other guild. if there was a way to create a system that rewarded based on those merits i would 100% support it.

but again, my opinion on this does not matter because im not a player.

its up to the players to determine what their end game experience will be.

[roks1]

I personally am looking forward to the server first Bind Rushing of King Tormax at WL zoneline.

[quido]

I think you will see that the reason the top guilds don't want a rotation is not because they mind the less-experienced guilds getting some kills, but more because they don't want their competition to be guaranteed anything.

If someone suggested a reasonable sharing system that didn't result in the #2 (ahem VDA) showing up and just taking it to further their crusade against the #1, it might get some better support.

I personally would support giving away [insert mobs] every so often to guilds that didn't include TMO/FE/BDA, but the minute FE/BDA gets even a single freebie, I would be against it.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you will see that the reason the top guilds don't want a rotation is not because they mind the less-experienced guilds getting some kills, but more because they don't want their competition to be guaranteed anything.

If someone suggested a reasonable sharing system that didn't result in the #2 (ahem VDA) showing up and just taking it to further their crusade against the #1, it might get some better support.

I personally would support giving away [insert mobs] every so often to guilds that didn't include TMO/FE/BDA, but the minute FE/BDA gets even a single freebie, I would be against it.

In my suggestion, FE would leave the mobs away. Now, will you use the BDA excuse to disagree with letting others guilds enjoy the content?

And I don't know if you understand that one week of few mobs every X weeks will NOT gear up a guild. It's just cherry on top for very few people which doesn't change the balance of power. I don't believe TMO would be threatened by a guild getting 1 epic done every X months. FE is your competitor, that's leaving X-1 weeks (and even all the time on important stuff) for you to fight against them that battle of power.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

luckily, as noted in the words you quoted,


do i agree with zerg tactics? nope. i spent most of my eq life fighting the zerg (hi Aerist and H.E.C.K alliance)

back on live, guilds use to brag about being able to kill a mob with LESS people than the other guild. if there was a way to create a system that rewarded based on those merits i would 100% support it.

but again, my opinion on this does not matter because im not a player.

its up to the players to determine what their end game experience will be.

That gave me an interesting idea. I wonder if it's possible for mobs to drop less loot as more people are on its hate list and if that would encourage more or less zerg. But I'll stop derailing.

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but again, my opinion on this does not matter because im not a player.

you don't have characters you play when you're not GMing? thats disappointing, actually.