Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Lyra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I experienced both. While participating in the rotations, I didn't feel like anything was lacking in my gaming experience. I was immersed in my guild experience, and I didn't care what anyone else was doing. Our accomplishments weren't diminished by what other guilds were doing.
I think I read you came from a PvP environment. A lot of the population doesn't play competitive against other players. I'm only playing against the content.

you just touched on something i was talking about in a R99 thread. but you're correct, theres more than one way to skin a cat, just like there's more than one way to play EQ. and that doesn't mean one style is better or worse, nor does it mean one style is right and one style is wrong. one of the best things about EQ is that you can play the game just about anyway you want and still manage to have fun.

so if you're having fun, all the more power to you! because that's all that matters. but if you are not having fun, (and im not singling you or anyone else out, just saying in general terms) then that player needs to make some changes. maybe those changes involve how they play the game, or maybe those changes involve killing the king, and starting new rules.

but to be blunt, this is not Skyrim where the entire world is your oyster and exists only to make you (again, not picking on "you", i'm using the word in general terms) feel happy and make the player feel special. In EQ and on p99, other players will in deed have a huge impact on the world around you and whats available. because in EQ, nobody is special (except for nilbog).

[slappytwotoes]

Hey Sirken.. would it be beating a dead horse to bring up server repops?

They would force the same solution this thread is asking for. Once a month seems reasonable.

Revolutions are ugly, bloody and require sacrifice... I don't think the peasants are discontented enough for revolt.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by slappytwotoes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey Sirken.. would it be beating a dead horse to bring up server repops?
They would force the same solution this thread is asking for. Once a month seems reasonable.
Revolutions are ugly, bloody and require sacrifice... I don't think the peasants are discontented enough for revolt.

absolutely not! i think simulated patch days (full repops) are a truly great idea that will benefit a very high majority of players. im pretty certain Nilbog and Rogean feel the same way based off last weeks staff meeting. but there are still some details we would like to iron out internally before we make any final decisions on it.

and you'd be surprised what the "peasants" are ready for, everybody has a breaking point, even the "peasants"

[slappytwotoes]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

absolutely not! i think simulated patch days (full repops) are a truly great idea that will benefit a very high majority of players. im pretty certain Nilbog and Rogean feel the same way based off last weeks staff meeting. but there are still some details we would like to iron out internally before we make any final decisions on it.

and you'd be surprised what the "peasants" are ready for, everybody has a breaking point, even the "peasants"

Brace yourselves > Simulated patch days are coming!

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

theres more than one way to skin a cat

I had a boss that used that analogy all the time...
Just going to say... even though I don't like cats...that is a terrible analogy!

I'm one of those peace loving hippie types. I like harmony. I don't like conflict. I attempt peaceful resolution all can agree to.

If there isn't one, I can fight for what I want. Though, I don't think anyone has to worry about me yet.....

I am totally against GM intervention.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm afraid that's not strictly true. The argument for a God in RL is not proven and possibly never can be. But in p1999 s/he exists and it is unequivocally undeniable.

It is not the king that makes the framework of rules by which we govern ourself in this universe, it is God.

are you implying the staff = gods? because they dont. and i can guarantee you than Cazic Thule, Innoruuk, and the others do not want players killing any high end raid mobs.
its more like
gods = gods,
GMs/staff = different levels of law enforcement,
players = "citizens"

the staff has no plans or desire to dictate the raid scene to the players. it will be what you make it.

Originally Posted by Lyra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had a boss that used that analogy all the time...
Just going to say... even though I don't like cats...that is a terrible analogy!

I'm one of those peace loving hippie types. I like harmony. I don't like conflict. I attempt peaceful resolution all can agree to.

If there isn't one, I can fight for what I want. Though, I don't think anyone has to worry about me yet.....

I am totally against GM intervention.

fwiw, i cant stand cats either. Luclin would have been sexier with dog people imo.
oh, and i am also totally against GM intervention [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

are you implying the staff = gods? because they dont. and i can guarantee you than Cazic Thule, Innoruuk, and the others do not want players killing any high end raid mobs.
its more like
gods = gods,
GMs/staff = different levels of law enforcement,
players = "citizens"

the staff has no plans or desire to dictate the raid scene to the players. it will be what you make it.

Yep I'm saying exactly that. Staff are the gods and they lay down the law (and enforce it) hey I didn't like your analogy but ran with it. Your explanation above does not explain where the laws come from.

Still don't see why you are so against, actually no that's not the right words but rather not more positive for the general idea that the peasants (small guilds/casuals) should once in a bluemoon have a shot at some bugger raid targets - the top guilds still have their virtual monopoly/competition/namecalling-contest while the small guys get to see something more of the game.

win win imo.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep I'm saying exactly that. Staff are the gods and they lay down the law (and enforce it) hey I didn't like your analogy but ran with it. Your explanation above does not explain where the laws come from.

Still don't see why you are so against, actually no that's not the right words but rather not more positive for the general idea that the peasants (small guilds/casuals) should once in a bluemoon have a shot at some bugger raid targets - the top guilds still have their virtual monopoly/competition/namecalling-contest while the small guys get to see something more of the game.

win win imo.

ah well, you're wrong. we arent gods. i never meant to imply that we were the gods. we are watchers that try to keep order amongst the chaos. personally i think the raid scene will still get worse before it gets better. if i was any guild besides TMO/FE, i have a pretty solid way to take their mobs, not all of them, not even close. but snatch a few traks and see what happens. and before any QQs about how impossible it is to steal trak, take a moment to stfu and think out side the box for a few minutes. its much much easier than most of you realize.

and my personal opinion on rotations has no bearing on the situation. personally i think they are retarded, unrewarding, and essentially free handouts, but its also not up to me to decide. everybody enjoys different things. you might really enjoy something i think to be dumb, and vice versa. neither of us is right or wrong for our thinking, we do what makes us happy.

but as it stands right now, the staff will absolutely not dictate to the players how the raid scene will work between guilds, and that includes forcing a rotation.

that being said, just as we wont force a rotation on the guilds, if the guilds did work out a rotation, the staff would not get in the way.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and my personal opinion on rotations has no bearing on the situation. personally i think they are retarded, unrewarding, and essentially free handouts,

I fail to see how a small guild on a rotation with as much likelyhood to wipe on a mob as it is to kill it (thus losing their shot at it) is considered a free hand out, yet joining a zerg force and standing in a dkp line is not.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I fail to see how a small guild on a rotation with as much likelyhood to wipe on a mob as it is to kill it (thus losing their shot at it) is considered a free hand out, yet joining a zerg force and standing in a dkp line is not.

luckily, as noted in the words you quoted,

"my personal opinion on rotations has no bearing on the situation"

do i agree with zerg tactics? nope. i spent most of my eq life fighting the zerg (hi Aerist and H.E.C.K alliance)

back on live, guilds use to brag about being able to kill a mob with LESS people than the other guild. if there was a way to create a system that rewarded based on those merits i would 100% support it.

but again, my opinion on this does not matter because im not a player.

its up to the players to determine what their end game experience will be.