Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The inherent problem though, is that on live no individual character, no matter how much they raided (with the exception of some main raid tanks), was able to get every piece of gear available for that character before the next expansion released. On live there was no point in which you've "beaten Everquest".

On Project 1999 it's different, when you take into account the fact that the content isn't "new" and the knowledge of how to tackle it is already there, coupled with the fact that it's been over 4 times the length of time since the next expansion was due you get a guild like TMO, who have gotten to the point where their raid force isn't just gearing their alts because their characters are maxed, they are all gearing their third and even fourth characters in certain cases with end game content gear. They have literally beaten Everquest.

This isn't meant as a flame, this is simply stating cold hard facts. It has much less to do with them earning the pixels and the right to sell them and more with they have nothing better to do with their lives than continue to do such and as a result the bulk of the server's population (every single non TMO player) suffers because of it.

The only "fair" fix, which won't happen because of the nature of cartain players and server management's desire to appease everyone regardless of the problems certain group(s) cause for the community, is to remove TMO from the equation entirely, they won't stop no matter what anyone says. But since that will never happen, Sirken was 100% correct, the only way to combat the top guild will be to beat them at their own game and beat the zerg rush with a bigger zerg rush.

Another big reason for this is the rediculous FTE system, but pointing that out only falls on deaf ears too...

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not even sure what a "13 beard old douche" is. I wish I could have grown a beard at 13.

13 year old (or at least someone with the mentality of a 13 year old) neckbeard. Though it's obvious you were feigning your misunderstanding of the term.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

13 year old (or at least someone with the mentality of a 13 year old) neckbeard. Though it's obvious you were feigning your misunderstanding of the term.

nope never heard/used that term before. keep it classy!

[finalgrunt]

Been a week. Not a single answer from Zeelot or Alarti to give me feedback from TMO on this. Who else should I contact for this then?

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Been a week. Not a single answer from Zeelot or Alarti to give me feedback from TMO on this. Who else should I contact for this then?

I think it's fair to say you can forget it.

I suggested something similar about 6 months ago and it was also ignored.

[Woahnelly]

I'm gonna go ahead and nerd it up here for a minute...

I'm not suggesting a merger like sirken did, but what about a grand alliance. when sauron threatened middle earth, different races came together to subdue him.

TMO has proven that they: 1) have no lives. 2) care only about pixels and care not about the server. And 3) are incapable of reason.

div, a-team, bda, and other guilds in the same boat should get together and hash out a plan that allows them to compete for high end raid targets such as trak, ct, and inny. Unless you all want to pay 500k for epic pieces and trak teeth. See: TMO auction thread.

I think that through cooperation, your goals can and will be achieved.

[Woahnelly]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a lot of you have common goals, common interests, and most of all, a common enemy. so, maybe it's time to do something about it

+1

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

merge / alliance / work together = all the same imo.

i know a lot of you didnt like my post, but i was trying to be realistic based on what i've seen come from similar threads in the past.

a lot of you have common goals, common interests, and most of all, a common enemy. so, maybe it's time to do something about it

Sorry I'm not giving this up yet. FE answered me already, TMO remains silent though. Shows some lack of respect but, I guess they need some time. However a simple "it's under discussion" or something like this from them would be a good start.

And Sirken, what you're proposing is far from what's needed actually to compete. You make it sound like it's only a matter of numbers. It requires much more than that (see other "casual" zerging attempts made in the past and how it ended). Non classic raid scene requires non classic involvement.

We're only asking for a reasonable window where we can go back to EQ roots.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And Sirken, what you're proposing is far from what's needed actually to compete. You make it sound like it's only a matter of numbers. It requires much more than that (see other "casual" zerging attempts made in the past and how it ended). Non classic raid scene requires non classic involvement.

We're only asking for a reasonable window where we can go back to EQ roots.

if you dont think working together is required, then i dunno what to tell you, because you're wrong. is numbers the only thing? no. you will also need some incentive for members to log in (DKP) for raids, and you will need to set up (at the very least an optional) batphone, or else just hope that you all have enough members on to down the mob, but an optional bat phone doesnt hurt. but if you don't work together, nothing good will ever happen (just like at one point TMO and DA started working together to dethrone TR/IB). and yes, even in 1999-2000 there were batphones in EQ, unless you were a tiny child. guilds had member phone numbers and times when it was not ok to call vs when it was ok to call. batphones are much more efficient nowadays for certain, but they always existed in the end game.

as far as zergs, people use to take pride in killing things with the fewest amount of people (ie: "we killed trak with 22", "well youre a gay, we killed him with 19!" ). but at the same time, i've never seen a guild be like "we only want to do trak with 22, so nobody else come to seb" thats retarded. if their members want to log in and do trak, then more power to them. especially if their competition is to preoccupied with doing things the way they want to do them, instead of the way they need to be done.

again i'll say, a lot of you have common goals, common interests, and most of all, a common enemy. so, maybe it's time to do something about it

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

merge / alliance / work together = all the same imo.

i know a lot of you didnt like my post, but i was trying to be realistic based on what i've seen come from similar threads in the past.

a lot of you have common goals, common interests, and most of all, a common enemy. so, maybe it's time to do something about it

I think everyone knows all this already but are looking for an alternative. When the lead GM comes on and states the obvious without any thinking outside the box or even lending any weight to an idea that isn't all that bad, it really doesn't help their chances.

[Servellious]

Until tmo dissolves good luck on this