TMO resort to hacking in VP

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Zereh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Logging into a server account (username/password) =/= a character entering the world. EQ doesn't give two fucks about which characters are ACTIVE or not until you try to enter the game from the character select screen.

No one is arguing that point Zereh. I'm merely saying that the exempt status was gained through unscrupulous means, and should be taken away. Is it better when I don't leave any logical jumps for you to make on your own?

[Zereh]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one is arguing that point Zereh. I'm merely saying that the exempt status was gained through unscrupulous means, and should be taken away. Is it better when I don't leave any logical jumps for you to make on your own?

You're assuming. Just because it's being used "creatively" now doesn't mean it was gained unscrupulously.

[47shadesofgay]

Originally Posted by Zereh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're assuming. Just because it's being used "creatively" now doesn't mean it was gained unscrupulously.

Being used "creatively"?


Holy shit, you people are insane..

Why can't you face facts?

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Zereh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're assuming. Just because it's being used "creatively" now doesn't mean it was gained unscrupulously.

1 person/1 client. IP exemptions are not for people to have the ease of switching between their alts quickly, its to allow for multiple people who share a connection to all play. Anything less than that is gaining an exemption through unscrupulous means. Again, Im not arguing about its use, just the way it was obtained. Holy fuck you dont read well. Stop straw-manning my shit and just accept the statement for what it is.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1 person/1 client. IP exemptions are not for people to have the ease of switching between their alts quickly, its to allow for multiple people who share a connection to all play. Anything less than that is gaining an exemption through unscrupulous means. Again, Im not arguing about its use, just the way it was obtained. Holy fuck you dont read well. Stop straw-manning my shit and just accept the statement for what it is.

You're equating a later use with the initial request. These two are not the same.

Play situations change. A person may have need for an ip exemption at one point with a roommate, then said roommate leaves. Is it then incumbent on the roommate and the original player to ask for their ip exemptions to be removed?

Does the fact that one or both of them have an ip exemption, but live separately mean that it was obtained through "unscrupulous means"? Not at all, it means that their situation changed and the later use of a rightfully obtained exemption may be for less than legitimate purposes and should be handled by server staff appropriately.

What if they want to get together to play again later? Should they have to reapply for a single weekend hangout?

There are people that ask for exemptions that never need them. I do think that the application process should be more stringent and all current ip exemptions should be wiped and require people to reapply.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're equating a later use with the initial request. These two are not the same.

Play situations change. A person may have need for an ip exemption at one point with a roommate, then said roommate leaves. Is it then incumbent on the roommate and the original player to ask for their ip exemptions to be removed?

Does the fact that one or both of them have an ip exemption, but live separately mean that it was obtained through "unscrupulous means"? Not at all, it means that their situation changed and the later use of a rightfully obtained exemption may be for less than legitimate purposes and should be handled by server staff appropriately.

What if they want to get together to play again later? Should they have to reapply for a single weekend hangout?

There are people that ask for exemptions that never need them. I do think that the application process should be more stringent and all current ip exemptions should be wiped and require people to reapply.

Im not equating anything. Im merely saying: "The scenario outlined by Zereh does not merit an exemption (1players/2clients.) If anyone is using an exemption like this then it should be taken away. Exemptions are for multiple people playing from the same singular connection. My statement does not go any further than addressing the initial exemption request. Dont put words in my mouth, read/comprehend harder; it's almost as if you two are playing dumb on purpose. Was it that hard to comprehend all this from my original statement? Did it require me to repeat my words in 3 separate ways before you understood?

[Ele]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im not equating anything. Im merely saying: "The scenario outlined by Zereh does not merit an exemption (1players/2clients.) If anyone is using an exemption like this then it should be taken away. Exemptions are for multiple people playing from the same singular connection. My statement does not go any further than addressing the initial exemption request. Dont put words in my mouth, read/comprehend harder; it's almost as if you two are playing dumb on purpose. Was it that hard to comprehend all this from my original statement? Did it require me to repeat my words in 3 separate ways before you understood?

Zereh did not posit any position on how the exemption was acquired, but the use. You injected that the current use was the reason for why the exemption was obtained.

You sir need to step back and reexamine your initial and continuing argument.

If you wish to discuss the merits of does one person with one account deserve an ip exemption, then the answer to that question is no.

[RipinpeaceTMO2013]

MECCZAN

WRU

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Zereh did not posit any position on how the exemption was acquired, but the use. You injected that the current use was the reason for why the exemption was obtained.

You sir need to step back and reexamine your initial and continuing argument.

If you wish to discuss the merits of does one person with one account deserve an ip exemption, then the answer to that question is no.

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Zereh did not posit any position on how the exemption was acquired, but the use.

/facepalm.

Originally Posted by Zereh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IT doesn't require two accounts, it just requires two computers and one account with an IP exemption. Play EQ on PC1, have PC2 locked and loaded @ character select ~ /q out on PC1 and hit enter on PC2.

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

does one person with one account deserve an ip exemption, then the answer to that question is no.

How many more times do u need it spelled out for you before you understand? Please just quantify it for me so I can know if this is a exercise in futility or not.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're equating a later use with the initial request. These two are not the same.

Play situations change. A person may have need for an ip exemption at one point with a roommate, then said roommate leaves. Is it then incumbent on the roommate and the original player to ask for their ip exemptions to be removed?

Does the fact that one or both of them have an ip exemption, but live separately mean that it was obtained through "unscrupulous means"? Not at all, it means that their situation changed and the later use of a rightfully obtained exemption may be for less than legitimate purposes and should be handled by server staff appropriately.

What if they want to get together to play again later? Should they have to reapply for a single weekend hangout?

There are people that ask for exemptions that never need them. I do think that the application process should be more stringent and all current ip exemptions should be wiped and require people to reapply.

he's exploiting an ip exemption. you can argue semantics all you want, but let's call a spade a spade.