Naive People are Dangerous

[EchoedTruth]

Originally Posted by killaessedai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't see my point, because you are only looking at it from your perspective.
You're not everyone and your situation is far different than other people.



In this society your mother is one of the few places to gain that foundation. Without it you would have been lost in a violent, cruel world, with very few voices of sanity. Can we only blame the parents when children do violent things? Especially when you realize the parents are about the only people teaching these things nowadays, and everything else you see tells you to be the opposite.




You said it yourself man....
Part of society is not just us humans but TV, music, and video games.

You completely missed the point.













We should be well-grounded, moral, and respectful enough of each other and this planet to be able to interpret art as art. Max Payne 3 was a gruesome video game, but it had a powerful story to tell. In my opinion it is art. Violence in real life, is deplorable. There is a clear distinction, and people should not have an issue seeing that.
Respect and understanding.

[killaessedai]

As long as violence exists in movies and games it will exist in this world. You're deluding yourself to think otherwise. I'm not saying remove all violent movies, but there will always be violence in this world as long as we continue to consume it like we do.

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by killaessedai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As long as violence exists in movies and games it will exist in this world. You're deluding yourself to think otherwise. I'm not saying remove all violent movies, but there will always be violence in this world as long as we continue to consume it like we do.

You have that backwards. Art imitates life. Our art forms are violent because we are violent. Not all of us, of course, but we are, as a species. For all of the violence in art that you are condemning, you fail to notice that in our society, violence is at an all-time low. Surely, our entertainment activities must be on the right path.

How about we stop looking for scapegoats and blame the individual when he/she falls? And this applies to animals, as well. Johnny shoots up his school because of a defect in him, not because he played too much Call of Duty and GTA or D&D or listened to too much death metal, etc. It wasn't even because he was picked on or his parents abused him. It was his defect.

[EchoedTruth]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have that backwards. Art imitates life. Our art forms are violent because we are violent. Not all of us, of course, but we are, as a species. For all of the violence in art that you are condemning, you fail to notice that in our society, violence is at an all-time low. Surely, our entertainment activities must be on the right path.

How about we stop looking for scapegoats and blame the individual when he/she falls? And this applies to animals, as well. Johnny shoots up his school because of a defect in him, not because he played too much Call of Duty and GTA or D&D or listened to too much death metal, etc. It wasn't even because he was picked on or his parents abused him. It was his defect.

Sums up my point quite well.

[Stibe]

Originally Posted by killaessedai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As long as violence exists in movies and games it will exist in this world. You're deluding yourself to think otherwise. I'm not saying remove all violent movies, but there will always be violence in this world as long as we continue to consume it like we do.

HOLD. THE FUCK. ON.

"As long as violence exists in movies and games it will exist in this world."

That is the single, most ignorant statement I have heard in my entire life.

[killaessedai]

Originally Posted by Stibe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

HOLD. THE FUCK. ON.

"As long as violence exists in movies and games it will exist in this world."

That is the single, most ignorant statement I have heard in my entire life.

that is truth... you are ignorant . go to the hood and see how real the rap game is.

[EchoedTruth]

Originally Posted by killaessedai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that is truth... you are ignorant . go to the hood and see how real the rap game is.

Dude inner city crime was a huge problem before "rap" even existed. GTFO [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Stibe]

Originally Posted by killaessedai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that is truth... you are ignorant . go to the hood and see how real the rap game is.

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[killaessedai]

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[stormlord]

Killaessedai...

Learn more about sociopathy and psychopathy.

Here's some starting material:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/UW-Mad...web4084984.htm
http://www.hare.org/links/saturday.html

Do that first b4 commenting about it. You know some 90% of serial killers are psychopaths.

I think poverty drives crime more than violent video games. But I have little doubt that violent video games might have an influence on some players. For that matter, games are a waste of time.

This is interesting:
http://www.dana.org/news/cerebrum/detail.aspx?id=3066

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We found reduced functioning of the corpus callosum, the band of white nerve fibers that allows communication between the left and the right cerebral hemispheres. We speculate that poor connection between hemispheres may mean that the right hemisphere, which is involved in the generation of negative emotion, 4 may be less well regulated and controlled by the inhibitory processes of the more dominant left hemisphere. This may contribute to how and whether violence is expressed. Interestingly, rats stressed early in life are right-hemisphere-dominant for mouse killing.5 Severing the corpus callosum in these rats results in an increase in mouse killing, 6 indicating that the left hemisphere normally acts to inhibit the right hemisphere’s mouse-killing tendency. Furthermore, researchers have observed inappropriate emotional expression and inability to grasp long-term implications in human split-brain patients (who have had their corpus callosum surgically severed). This suggests that such emotional expression by violent offenders, and their lack of long-term planning, may result in part from poor functioning of the corpus callosum. Callosal dysfunction, though unlikely to cause aggression, may contribute to violence in those with other limbic and cortical abnormalities.
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Research shows that peope who do violent crime more often have more activity in the emotional part of their brain and less in the reasoning part. The same research also showed that they had less activity in the prefrontal cortex. This would indicate a lesser ability to control their emotional outbursts.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0913073401.htm

Some further reading:
http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n07/d.../disease_i.htm

Now how prefrontal dysfunction is greater among psychopaths that did not grow up in a deprived household. This is interesting because it seems to defy the notion that poverty causes crime.

It's noted here in the link I just listed:

...Consistent with our findings through brain imaging, previous research has shown that lack of a normally developed sense of fear in schoolchildren is more often coupled with antisocial behavior if the child comes from a good home environment.10 That is, the biological deficit (poor development of fear) is found in those who display antisocial behavior but lack a social predisposition to it. Not surprisingly, the right orbitofrontal cortex seems important in fear conditioning.

He kind of continues this here:

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Most prisoners I have met who are suspected of brain dysfunction have no idea that anything is wrong with them. Often they grew up with this problem; it has always been part of them. Even when this is pointed out to them, they believe (like much of the general public) that the causes of their violence lie in poverty, unemployment, bad influences, and (sometimes, but not always), poor parenting and child abuse. They are shocked and disbelieving if I tell them that brain dysfunction and biology contribute to violence. Poverty and bad parenting, after all, can be seen and recognized; biological factors are invisible and intangible. So it is not just that the brain mechanisms underlying responsibility are damaged in the violent offender, preventing him from acting to rectify the causes of his violence. Even if he could reflect on himself, he probably would end up accusing the wrong risk factors.
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He goes on to explore the idea about what it means for society if we cannot blame a violent criminal for their actions. So instead of saying it's a moral failing, we have to say it's a biological failing.

He asks "Could this not become a license to kill?" (if we can't blame them morally and/or punish them)