Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If TMO and FE want to make a sincere effort they need to include some real targets in there. TMO needs to relinquish TrainCity. Again this is all moot until TMO plays ball.

I am taking your meaning of TrainCity to be VP... and being that we're talking about the guilds who have been getting no targets here, I don't know why this would happen unless they had sufficient raid force with VP keys.

I'm not saying no here, i'm simply stating that I dont see why this would be done. At the moment FE is making strides toward joining us in VP... trains and all... which will make that zone all the much more fun, but I would say for a minimum amount of success in VP you need at LEAST 20-25 raiders... NOT for just the targets, but anti-training etc. Can it be done with less, sure..

So by saying that TMO would have to give that up, you're effectively forcing a rotation on the top two guilds over the one zone that we would still be competing in, because... why?

[arsenalpow]

TMO doesn't even need 99% of the loot in VP considering they offer up rots to anyone not in FE. Again VP isn't filled with invincible targets, 32k isn't enough HP to keep 24 relatively well geared raiders from dropping them as proven when TMO wasn't training us during their vacation.

TMO/FE could fight over PD and rotate the rest and then it's much less of a headache for all parties involved. Also with VP loot flowing I'd suspect FE wouldn't contest the rest of kunark as hard, trickle down economics.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO doesn't even need 99% of the loot in VP considering they offer up rots to anyone not in FE. Again VP isn't filled with invincible targets, 32k isn't enough HP to keep 24 relatively well geared raiders from dropping them as proven when TMO wasn't training us during their vacation.

TMO/FE could fight over PD and rotate the rest and then it's much less of a headache for all parties involved. Also with VP loot flowing I'd suspect FE wouldn't contest the rest of kunark as hard, trickle down economics.

disagree. again FE is still a relatively new guild that still needs the loot from a majority of the kunark targets hence putting in the time/effort to get them. If we didn't need them I doubt you'd see us in farm mode like TMO. IMO again you are asking for way too much, which only hurts FE and helps TMO keep the gap in place.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO doesn't even need 99% of the loot in VP considering they offer up rots to anyone not in FE. Again VP isn't filled with invincible targets, 32k isn't enough HP to keep 24 relatively well geared raiders from dropping them as proven when TMO wasn't training us during their vacation.

TMO/FE could fight over PD and rotate the rest and then it's much less of a headache for all parties involved. Also with VP loot flowing I'd suspect FE wouldn't contest the rest of kunark as hard, trickle down economics.

Its great to shoot for the moon, but you dont often make it... read: interesting suggestion, but not likely to happen

As was brought up by Finalgrunt, start with smaller targets, work your way up. This is a reasonable approach, and has the potential to gain traction from both TMO and FE.