Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Proposed Rotation for any mob.

TMO, FE, BDA, Div, Taken, FC, FV

You have 15 minutes (or longer, can be tweaked depending on target) to engage from spawn or it falls to the next person in the rotation (or FTE, whatever)

This means that TMO and FE would still get the lionshare of targets since any mob that doesn't spawn during prime time would be most likely skipped by the smaller guilds but it still provides an opportunity for those same guilds to get an attempt in whereas before they'd just get steamrolled/leapfrogged.

I still think the idea of leaving a window of time for non priority targets is the easiest solution. Leave it to the other guilds to figure out how they want to go about rotating/competing. For example, non priority targets such as tal/gore/fay/nag/vox/air etc for the week of april 1st or something like that if TMO/FE agreed both would stay away from those kills and it would be up to bda/div/taken/europa/a-team etc to work out who is going for what or all of them just go ffa on them.

Edit: not sure if that was a serious list or not but a-team, europa, and i'm sure there are more would want to be included. Talking about having a rotation list with close to 10 parties isn't going to make anyone's raiding experience any better IMO.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still think the idea of leaving a window of time for non priority targets is the easiest solution. Leave it to the other guilds to figure out how they want to go about rotating/competing. For example, non priority targets such as tal/gore/fay/nag/vox/air etc for the week of april 1st or something like that if TMO/FE agreed both would stay away from those kills and it would be up to bda/div/taken/europa/a-team etc to work out who is going for what or all of them just go ffa on them.

If TMO and FE want to make a sincere effort they need to include some real targets in there. TMO needs to relinquish TrainCity and they both need to give up some CTs, Dojos, VS's, etc etc otherwise this comes off as disingenuous - here take these scraps. Any guild on this server can kill CT, the fact that you have to compete with trains and purposeful DT cycles makes it ridiculous, that's why other guilds stay away from it.

Again this is all moot until TMO plays ball.

[arsenalpow]

I wasn't trying to slight A-Team or Europa, I was only listing guilds that I've seen compete for high end raid targets.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wasn't trying to slight A-Team or Europa, I was only listing guilds that I've seen compete for high end raid targets.

Well I doubt we could kill stuff like CT 24/7 anyway. Maybe an A-Team/Europa alliance hehehe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] If there ever was a rotation, there would have to be some well-defined rules for entry and exit. Actually I've been agreeing with most of what you said in this thread (well except the language). It's hilarious to watch 2/3 of the high-level server population say 'we hate the current raid scene, it's not how we want to play' and then have Sirken and various TMO/FE members say 'well why don't you play that way if you want to get some pixels?'

Originally Posted by shinko

We're not a zerg bros!

OK Shinko you have been pretty nice to me in this thread so I will try to return the favor. I feel like both TMO and FE are zergs relative to the content, but not to the raid scene. In other words, both of you have far more players than you need to kill Trakanon given 2 hours, but not far more than you need to kill Trakanon given 3 minutes. And I think this is ultimately a big reason why TMO doesn't like rotations: with their amount of players, gear, and experience killing the mobs is trivial. It's only when they are under pressure that there is any amount of challenge.

Originally Posted by aenariefenninro

This is why this argument generally never goes anywhere. The people in TMO / FE / IB / BDA / etc have been WILLING to be miserable for days for those 15 minutes of fun.

And this is the other big reason we will not see rotations on this server. Because there are a ton of hypercompetitive goal-oriented type-A players who treat this game as a job and don't think anyone else should be able to enter their little club without the requisite hazing. Look at Mavpal: he's saying 'i left divinity and joined FE and put in all my time batphoning/poopsocking/tracking so I could get my pixels, why should divinity get anything without doing something?' And I can sympathize with this argument, what baffles me is why people were willing to do it in the first place :P

TL;DR: I hope I am wrong, but I think this community is simply too competitive for rotations to stick, and variance throws a huge monkey wrench into the whole business. What needs to happen is simultaneous repops. But it seems that Sirken/Rogean are happy with the current environment, so I doubt anything will change.

That said, if you guys want to work out a rotation you have my vote.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

simultaneous repops

[Boilon]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well I doubt we could kill stuff like CT 24/7 anyway. Maybe an A-Team/Europa alliance hehehe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well that would be interesting [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. Bit late to this thread been really busy this week (finally read all those pages, fffff).

@ Daimadoshi: Hope this might gain some traction unlike some of the previous attempts at this but here is to hoping. I have built a fairly good relationship with most of the 'casual' guilds and can say that I would gladly give my support in the pursuit of something like this and even teaming up with some (you know who you are [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ) if that leads to a greater enjoyment of this server. Honestly I have been getting kind of bored of leveling my other toons and can't be asked to level my 3rd 52+ toon for no real reason anymore.

Like others have said even the ability to attempt something without TMO/FE/whoever else being rammed down your throat 2 mins after a mob pops would be a blessing.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If TMO and FE want to make a sincere effort they need to include some real targets in there. TMO needs to relinquish TrainCity and they both need to give up some CTs, Dojos, VS's, etc etc otherwise this comes off as disingenuous - here take these scraps. Any guild on this server can kill CT, the fact that you have to compete with trains and purposeful DT cycles makes it ridiculous, that's why other guilds stay away from it.

Again this is all moot until TMO plays ball.

so now you are mandating what has to be shared? FE has 2 CT kills under our belt and you think we should start rotating it now? Like I said I'm not the decision maker but I'd say no way. Again you are lumping TMO/FE in the same boat when one is a new guild and the other has been farming the mobs in question pretty much uncontested for a year. Think you need to scale back if you want any chance of coming to an agreement.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If TMO and FE want to make a sincere effort they need to include some real targets in there. TMO needs to relinquish TrainCity and they both need to give up some CTs, Dojos, VS's, etc etc otherwise this comes off as disingenuous - here take these scraps. Any guild on this server can kill CT, the fact that you have to compete with trains and purposeful DT cycles makes it ridiculous, that's why other guilds stay away from it.

Again this is all moot until TMO plays ball.

That's what I would like to see too. But I'd rather see this start with scraps than nothing in the end. Let's not forget it would be a favor coming from them, we're not really in position to make the calls around here. And once they see that this doesn't change anything for them as I expect to be (they get to do what they do the rest of the time, i.e pretty much all the time), they might add some other targets to the pool as a proof of good will (and even 2nd league can be entertaining to read about/watch).

At the moment, you should consider CT & VS as priority targets for the top guilds, and thus excluded from the current request as we speak.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's what I would like to see too. But I'd rather see this start with scraps than nothing in the end. Let's not forget it would be a favor coming from them, we're not really in position to make the calls around here. And once they see that this doesn't change anything for them as I expect to be (they get to do what they do the rest of the time, i.e pretty much all the time), they might add some other targets to the pool as a proof of good will (and even 2nd league can be entertaining to read about/watch).

This, plus people acting like TMO/FE are in the same position need a reality check. FE is farming these mobs for a reason to catch up ground and get our footing in VP to be on a similar level to TMO. Just when we start to get some of these mobs now it's expected to rotate the ones we really need and have only recently started getting the kills? Makes no sense. If I was TMO i'd agree to that in a heartbeat to slow down our progress.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This, plus people acting like TMO/FE are in the same position need a reality check. FE is farming these mobs for a reason to catch up ground and get our footing in VP to be on a similar level to TMO. Just when we start to get some of these mobs now it's expected to rotate the ones we really need and have only recently started getting the kills? Makes no sense. If I was TMO i'd agree to that in a heartbeat to slow down our progress.

Well, with current request, that would only remove 1 target every X (X being in the 7-10 range). That wouldn't really slow down your progress. But as I said earlier, we're only discussing a subset of targets atm, which clearly are not a priority for your guild. And CT is not included. And obviously VP & Trak neither.

Once things get into motion, I'm pretty sure TMO & FE members will understand what this is all about, and how it (doesn't) affect them. And hopefully, bigger targets will soon be added.