Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[arsenalpow]

Honestly fuck both of you. I've spent countless hours tracking for mobs, updating windows, camping out characters, rallying the troops, and boosting morale when it's all for naught. I've watched multiple guilds shatter under the weight of what equates to chemical warfare between the infiltration of guild forums, the posting of RL pictures, and hemorhagging members to the zergs. Raiding on this server is fundamentally broken. Both of you are basically saying "try harder" when everyone knows that means be more like TMO and FE. This isn't a job for most people, it's a fucking 13 old emulated Everquest server.

The barrier of entry to raiding is staggering and even when you do eventually reach the goal of VP there's always the boogeyman of training to deal with. Here's a PSA to anyone new on this server that wants to attain raid loot, join TMO or FE. Be prepared to log out your character at a designated target for days at a time and have the availability to log in 24 hours a day to earfuck said target with 40 other guildmates while dodging the trains and shenanigans of the rival guild. That's what raiding on P99 is. It's not competition, it's not fun, it's attrition. Get used to it or find a new game.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly fuck both of you. I've spent countless hours tracking for mobs, updating windows, camping out characters, rallying the troops, and boosting morale when it's all for naught. I've watched multiple guilds shatter under the weight of what equates to chemical warfare between the infiltration of guild forums, the posting of RL pictures, and hemorhagging members to the zergs. Raiding on this server is fundamentally broken. Both of you are basically saying "try harder" when everyone knows that means be more like TMO and FE. This isn't a job for most people, it's a fucking 13 old emulated Everquest server.

The barrier of entry to raiding is staggering and even when you do eventually reach the goal of VP there's always the boogeyman of training to deal with. Here's a PSA to anyone new on this server that wants to attain raid loot, join TMO or FE. Be prepared to log out your character at a designated target for days at a time and have the availability to log in 24 hours a day to earfuck said target with 40 other guildmates while dodging the trains and shenanigans of the rival guild. That's what raiding on P99 is. It's not competition, it's not fun, it's attrition. Get used to it or find a new game.

This isn't F&R pal. Keep it constructive or start a new thread. I'm not posting my opinion of you anywhere in here because i'm keeping in mind that this could be for the better of the server.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isn't F&R pal. Keep it constructive or start a new thread. I'm not posting my opinion of you anywhere in here because i'm keeping in mind that this could be for the better of the server.

Except you've only stated that you don't believe the smaller guilds "do enough" to warrant a share of raid targets, this is because as stated before the barrier of entry is staggering. For you or TMO enough would be exactly how you currently function as a raid guild. For BDA enough for is hunting in planes when raid targets are in window and periodically pushing for targets when it suits us and avoiding Trak like the plague because its by far the most toxic target to push for. For other guilds like Div, Taken, or Full Circle it's even less than that, they have a relatively regular raid schedule and suits them.

The mindset from TMO has always been put up or shut up, I absolutely know that FE is ok with a server rotation, TMO is and has always been the holdup to any rotation since IB departed.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except you've only stated that you don't believe the smaller guilds "do enough" to warrant a share of raid targets, this is because as stated before the barrier of entry is staggering. For you or TMO enough would be exactly how you currently function as a raid guild. For BDA enough for is hunting in planes when raid targets are in window and periodically pushing for targets when it suits us and avoiding Trak like the plague because its by far the most toxic target to push for. For other guilds like Div, Taken, or Full Circle it's even less than that, they have a relatively regular raid schedule and suits them.

The mindset from TMO has always been put up or shut up, I absolutely know that FE is ok with a server rotation, TMO is and has always been the holdup to any rotation since IB departed.

Ya that's my opinion but i'm not the one making the decision for either guild. Some effort for me does not equal the way tmo/fe currently operate as you are assuming. I understand BDA used to be a raiding guild and you used to put in a ton of time doing tracking, organizing, etc but you also used to get kills out of it. I'm just saying from my point of view very little effort is being put in doing anything close to that anymore. I listed the one example i could think of with div doing sev, but problem with sev is we have like 6-7 warriors still needing green scales and sev has dropped them like 1 times in the last 6-7 kills. If we didn't need the scales he would not be a priority target IMO. Comparing TMO/FE in terms of listing out priority targets isn't doable because TMO has already farmed those mobs for a lengthy amount of time while FE is just now starting to see the affect of putting in the time/effort to compete for them.

[arsenalpow]

Proposed Rotation for any mob.

TMO, FE, BDA, Div, Taken, FC, FV

You have 15 minutes (or longer, can be tweaked depending on target) to engage from spawn or it falls to the next person in the rotation (or FTE, whatever)

This means that TMO and FE would still get the lionshare of targets since any mob that doesn't spawn during prime time would be most likely skipped by the smaller guilds but it still provides an opportunity for those same guilds to get an attempt in whereas before they'd just get steamrolled/leapfrogged.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Proposed Rotation for any mob.

TMO, FE, BDA, Div, Taken, FC, FV

You have 15 minutes (or longer, can be tweaked depending on target) to engage from spawn or it falls to the next person in the rotation (or FTE, whatever)

This means that TMO and FE would still get the lionshare of targets since any mob that doesn't spawn during prime time would be most likely skipped by the smaller guilds but it still provides an opportunity for those same guilds to get an attempt in whereas before they'd just get steamrolled/leapfrogged.

I still think the idea of leaving a window of time for non priority targets is the easiest solution. Leave it to the other guilds to figure out how they want to go about rotating/competing. For example, non priority targets such as tal/gore/fay/nag/vox/air etc for the week of april 1st or something like that if TMO/FE agreed both would stay away from those kills and it would be up to bda/div/taken/europa/a-team etc to work out who is going for what or all of them just go ffa on them.

Edit: not sure if that was a serious list or not but a-team, europa, and i'm sure there are more would want to be included. Talking about having a rotation list with close to 10 parties isn't going to make anyone's raiding experience any better IMO.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still think the idea of leaving a window of time for non priority targets is the easiest solution. Leave it to the other guilds to figure out how they want to go about rotating/competing. For example, non priority targets such as tal/gore/fay/nag/vox/air etc for the week of april 1st or something like that if TMO/FE agreed both would stay away from those kills and it would be up to bda/div/taken/europa/a-team etc to work out who is going for what or all of them just go ffa on them.

If TMO and FE want to make a sincere effort they need to include some real targets in there. TMO needs to relinquish TrainCity and they both need to give up some CTs, Dojos, VS's, etc etc otherwise this comes off as disingenuous - here take these scraps. Any guild on this server can kill CT, the fact that you have to compete with trains and purposeful DT cycles makes it ridiculous, that's why other guilds stay away from it.

Again this is all moot until TMO plays ball.

[arsenalpow]

I wasn't trying to slight A-Team or Europa, I was only listing guilds that I've seen compete for high end raid targets.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If TMO and FE want to make a sincere effort they need to include some real targets in there. TMO needs to relinquish TrainCity and they both need to give up some CTs, Dojos, VS's, etc etc otherwise this comes off as disingenuous - here take these scraps. Any guild on this server can kill CT, the fact that you have to compete with trains and purposeful DT cycles makes it ridiculous, that's why other guilds stay away from it.

Again this is all moot until TMO plays ball.

so now you are mandating what has to be shared? FE has 2 CT kills under our belt and you think we should start rotating it now? Like I said I'm not the decision maker but I'd say no way. Again you are lumping TMO/FE in the same boat when one is a new guild and the other has been farming the mobs in question pretty much uncontested for a year. Think you need to scale back if you want any chance of coming to an agreement.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If TMO and FE want to make a sincere effort they need to include some real targets in there. TMO needs to relinquish TrainCity and they both need to give up some CTs, Dojos, VS's, etc etc otherwise this comes off as disingenuous - here take these scraps. Any guild on this server can kill CT, the fact that you have to compete with trains and purposeful DT cycles makes it ridiculous, that's why other guilds stay away from it.

Again this is all moot until TMO plays ball.

That's what I would like to see too. But I'd rather see this start with scraps than nothing in the end. Let's not forget it would be a favor coming from them, we're not really in position to make the calls around here. And once they see that this doesn't change anything for them as I expect to be (they get to do what they do the rest of the time, i.e pretty much all the time), they might add some other targets to the pool as a proof of good will (and even 2nd league can be entertaining to read about/watch).

At the moment, you should consider CT & VS as priority targets for the top guilds, and thus excluded from the current request as we speak.