Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't agree... unless you say that the selfish jerk was sitting waiting for the free sample person for days on end... and when they finally showed up the samples would only go to the first person who arrived.

Pretty much. It doesn't look like this game is going anywhere. There will be dragons next week and dragons the week after that. To say a rotation won't work is just wrong. If your arguement is for competition, guess what, they have a server for that.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty much. It doesn't look like this game is going anywhere. There will be dragons next week and dragons the week after that. To say a rotation won't work is just wrong. If your arguement is for competition, guess what, they have a server for that.

My argument is simply for some level of effort to be put in, rather than sitting back and requesting that nobody else "camp" the free samples guy so that they can get a chance to speak to him first whenever someone "happens" to notice that he was around.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My argument is simply for some level of effort to be put in, rather than sitting back and requesting that nobody else "camp" the free samples guy so that they can get a chance to speak to him first whenever someone "happens" to notice that he was around.

What's wrong with this? The "some level of effort" you ask is 96+ hours of tracking and having mains parked and buffed on spawn points 5, 6, or 7 days a week depending on how windows overlap, waking up at 3am to your computer already on at the log in or character select screen. This is pretty unreasonable and it boggles my mind how TMO and FE aren't disgusted with themselves for doing it to themselves.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's wrong with this? The "some level of effort" you ask is 96+ hours of tracking and having mains parked and buffed on spawn points 5, 6, or 7 days a week depending on how windows overlap, waking up at 3am to your computer already on at the log in or character select screen. This is pretty unreasonable and it boggles my mind how TMO and FE aren't disgusted with themselves for doing it to themselves.

That is not true, please don't put your assumption as to what my words state.

Some level of effort could be - tracking a mob from noon-9pm.. and if it spawns outside that window, you dont expect to engage it

Some level of effort could be - poopsocking (I hope nobody takes this seriously)

There are many things that could be defined as "some level of effort" not just 96+ hours of tracking and waking up at 4am to kill the mob. Thats the current top guilds' level of effort, i'm not trying to turn the other guilds into us.

The key word being SOME

right now, the level of effort being put in is "please dont raid during week x" Given that the top guilds have established themselves as "RAIDING" guilds, asking them to go against their "reason for being" is not a very persuasive argument.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is not true, please don't put your assumption as to what my words state.

Some level of effort could be - tracking a mob from noon-9pm.. and if it spawns outside that window, you dont expect to engage it

Some level of effort could be - poopsocking (I hope nobody takes this seriously)

There are many things that could be defined as "some level of effort" not just 96+ hours of tracking and waking up at 4am to kill the mob. Thats the current top guilds' level of effort, i'm not trying to turn the other guilds into us.

The key word being SOME

right now, the level of effort being put in is "please dont raid during week x" Given that the top guilds have established themselves as "RAIDING" guilds, asking them to go against their "reason for being" is not a very persuasive argument.

It's not unreasonable to ask for a week of mobs. It is unreasonable to expect casual guilds to track for any amount of time and think they still have a chance at the mob. I don't care if it's 3 hours or 30, most reasonable people don't have their laptops tethered with them at all times to be able to answer a batphone at a moment's notice. Even if a casual guild were to "get lucky" and happen to be tracking the mob when it pops, they're not likely to get it and as has been seen recently, they're not likely to get it even when it spawns right in front of them while they have a raid force present.

Any level of effort short of doing exactly what TMO and FE does is not likely to get you any mobs.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not unreasonable to ask for a week of mobs.

with zero effort, I dont agree,

Thats ok... this is a discussion, we dont have to agree on everything.

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any level of effort short of doing exactly what TMO and FE does is not likely to get you any mobs.

this. the Full Circle/Innoruuk situation sorta proves it.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is not true, please don't put your assumption as to what my words state.

Some level of effort could be - tracking a mob from noon-9pm.. and if it spawns outside that window, you dont expect to engage it

Some level of effort could be - poopsocking (I hope nobody takes this seriously)

There are many things that could be defined as "some level of effort" not just 96+ hours of tracking and waking up at 4am to kill the mob. Thats the current top guilds' level of effort, i'm not trying to turn the other guilds into us.

The key word being SOME

right now, the level of effort being put in is "please dont raid during week x" Given that the top guilds have established themselves as "RAIDING" guilds, asking them to go against their "reason for being" is not a very persuasive argument.

Smaller guilds have tried in the past to track, and mobilize. And even poopsock. More than once. Problem is, it's been proven to be ineffective.

During the said free week, smaller guilds would still have to track, mobilize and such. Thing is, the smaller guilds will face competition which they can actually beat if they try. Huge difference. It will not be free, but affordable.