Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

Kagatob · #1 03-18-2013, 07:04 AM

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This entire server is an embarrassment

Servellious · #2 03-18-2013, 07:30 AM

I remember when BDA left mobs up and how grateful those guilds were and how support was given to BDA in the fight against Tmo. Wait nvm nothing happened except bad guilds showed up to collect loot and do nothing else. Bad idea then even worse now that it has already shown to do nothing. Tmo had plenty of chances to do this and just want to stall Fe's momentum. Give me a break

AenarieFenninRo · #3 03-18-2013, 08:15 AM

I'll start with this: i'm not against the idea, and that I hope something can be worked out to make everyone happy...

But I gotta ask, and not in a flame way but in all seriousness:

Does this feel to anyone else like kids asking for a participant trophy because they didn't take 1st / 2nd place in some sporting event?

The world has gone soft in so many ways that we want to make sure everyone is happy all the time at everyone else's expense, and it really does bother me. Growing up, if we didn't win, we didn't get a trophy, plain and simple. Now days, everyone gets a trophy for the most mundane crap and it's ridiculous, all in an effort to make everyone happy.

It seems in its way, that even when I was a kid, we had to do something instead of just requesting that no other team was on the field so they could kick the ball toward the goal in the hopes of it going in.

I'm not saying that something cant or shouldn't be worked out, but it seems to me that these smaller / minor / family oriented type of guilds need to put in SOME kind of effort rather than just asking for everyone else to stop killing mobs so that they have a chance to do so. This is in essence what I am seeing being requested here.

It has been stated MANY times by top guilds on the server... TMO / IB / VD / FE / whomever... pick an abbreviation... that if you put in some time and track the mobs, and let the upper tier guilds know you would like a shot at mob X, that those guilds have offered to be accommodating. I have yet to see any of these smaller guilds do this though. Keeping in mind that this may not be the case with certain targets such as Trakanon or VP or something, but there are other targets out there like Talendor, Serverilous, Nobles, Inny, etc etc

I am all for everyone having fun, and everyone getting a chance to do something they might not normally get the chance to do, but the proposals I have seen thus far are simply asking the other teams to step off the field of play so that someone else can have a go at it.

Disclaimer: These are personal views, and not that of any guild, so please don't try to make the associations between my own views and that of the guild I belong to.

arsenalpow · #4 03-18-2013, 08:27 AM

Please elaborate on how a smaller guild could pull a target with enough effort. It's a horseshit argument.

Full Circle was the last small guild to really try and make a push. They sat at Inny for days only for TMO to show up in the last hours with a 2 group force to try and snake a kill for a target that they didn't even give a shit about.

If you want targets on this server the template has been presented by TMO (and every other guild before TMO) and then duplicated by FE. You need to have a large roster in order to pull 30-40 players at any point of the day and need to be camped out right in front of the designated target fully buffed. You need to track for over 96 hours of real time if necessary, you need to be able to fend of FTE snipes, trains, leapfrogging, and rules lawyering. You'll have to suffer through spies, moles, and any number of methods of out of game warfare. After you've done all that you'll still need to win at forumquest to make sure the propaganda machine doesn't stunt the growth or reputation of your blossoming guild.

Them once you've weathered that storm the next step is VP where the competition can just blatantly train you.

The raid scene is a joke and thinking that TMO is suddenly feeling generous now that FE is gaining momentum is just another form of gamesmanship. No one is giving shit up, if you want a target get ready to get dirty.

AenarieFenninRo · #5 03-18-2013, 08:35 AM

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Please elaborate on how a smaller guild could pull a target with enough effort. It's a horseshit argument.

Full Circle was the last small guild to really try and make a push. They sat at Inny for days only for TMO to show up in the last hours with a 2 group force to try and snake a kill for a target that they didn't even give a shit about.

I personally did not attend that event, even though I was online, and in fact, I asked other guild mates to boycott going up there. I did feel that they had put in the effort and time, and that stepping on toes as it were was against exactly what I am speaking about above. Lets not pretend however, that TMO was the only guild that went up there... I believe BDA was there as well? (Again, i'm not sure who all was, as I wasn't there) even to later have people claim that "we were going up to support FC" which was a BS claim from people not in FC to try getting around being douchebags.

arsenalpow · #6 03-18-2013, 08:44 AM

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I personally did not attend that event, even though I was online, and in fact, I asked other guild mates to boycott going up there. I did feel that they had put in the effort and time, and that stepping on toes as it were was against exactly what I am speaking about above. Lets not pretend however, that TMO was the only guild that went up there... I believe BDA was there as well? (Again, i'm not sure who all was, as I wasn't there) even to later have people claim that "we were going up to support FC" which was a BS claim from people not in FC to try getting around being douchebags.

1) I'm so fucking sick of this from the mass invite guilds "well my guildmates did that and I don't agree with it, you can't really compare me with soandso" - that's bullshit. You condone the behavior by continuing to be guilded with them. I'm part of a guild that polices our members. If someone guilded with me does something that doesn't align with how we do things then they get to find a new guild. It's called having standards.

2) I personally brought up a BDA force to get FTE on behalf of Full Circle after we heard that TMO had showed up. We had been avoiding Hate for days because we knew Full Circle was in it for the long haul.

AenarieFenninRo · #7 03-18-2013, 08:49 AM

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1) I'm so fucking sick of this from the mass invite guilds "well my guildmates did that and I don't agree with it, you can't really compare me with soandso" - that's bullshit. You condone the behavior by continuing to be guilded with them. I'm part of a guild that polices our members. If someone guilded with me does something that doesn't align with how we do things then they get to find a new guild. It's called having standards.

2) I personally brought up a BDA force to get FTE on behalf of Full Circle after we heard that TMO had showed up. We had been avoiding Hate for days because we knew Full Circle was in it for the long haul.

This is extending into R&F material, so i'm going to say let it go from this thread in the interest of the OP. My post, was that of my own opinion, not related to my guild. Please dont lump other's opinions in with mine, nor mine in with others. You can still remain somewhat autonomous within a guild.

Servellious · #8 03-18-2013, 08:50 AM

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I personally did not attend that event, even though I was online, and in fact, I asked other guild mates to boycott going up there. I did feel that they had put in the effort and time, and that stepping on toes as it were was against exactly what I am speaking about above. Lets not pretend however, that TMO was the only guild that went up there... I believe BDA was there as well? (Again, i'm not sure who all was, as I wasn't there) even to later have people claim that "we were going up to support FC" which was a BS claim from people not in FC to try getting around being douchebags.

No we really did port up just to help

Ravager · #9 03-18-2013, 08:29 AM

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Does this feel to anyone else like kids asking for a participant trophy because they didn't take 1st / 2nd place in some sporting event?

A closer analogy is the selfish jerk who takes all the free samples at the grocery store and then justifies it by saying everyone else wasn't fast enough.

AenarieFenninRo · #10 03-18-2013, 08:40 AM

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A closer analogy is the selfish jerk who takes all the free samples at the grocery store and then justifies it by saying everyone else wasn't fast enough.

I don't agree... unless you say that the selfish jerk was sitting waiting for the free sample person for days on end... and when they finally showed up the samples would only go to the first person who arrived.