Game Mechanics: Mez/Charm immunity is not classic

[Nizzarr]

I was chanter during classic--> velious era and never charmed due to too many breaks and unreliability.

Also dictating ANY mobs over lvl 58 is extremely overpowered and should be fixed before anything else is done here.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was chanter during classic--> velious era and never charmed due to too many breaks and unreliability.

Also dictating ANY mobs over lvl 58 is extremely overpowered and should be fixed before anything else is done here.

Thank you brother

Confirmed btw saw General in Kith dictated. Woke up in ER with immersion IV bag, released after stabilized.

[Splorf22]

Yeah among the mobs that can currently be dictated are Stanos Herkanor and General V'ghera. It's just ridiculous (Stanos in particular is not not slowable and therefore should be immune to magic period). I don't know if dictate on Sirran is classic or not, but its such a huge gaping balance flaw that I would like to see it eliminated. But the charm immunity of the normal trash mobs in Sky is not a balance issue at all.

I still say based on Xornn's enchanter guide our current charm durations for normal xp mobs are quite reasonable. OP, but it's clear that charm soloing (even with hasted pets) is viable in classic and should be viable here. Just because you didn't do it personally doesn't make it impossible - in fact after Kanras' nerf quite a few people (including me hehe) were seriously bitching about the new charm. Most of the people that still charm solo are the ones who rolled our toons before the nerf and just gradually got used to it; i notice a lot of new enchanters who only charm LB pets in a group.

I'm much more suspicious of mob damage and channeling skill - if channeling percentage was reduced by 20-30% that would make a huge difference in charm soloing. I also know mobs in general used to hit for more. Get some of your friends on EQ Mac to test stuff out!

[Handull]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sirran is such a huge gaping balance flaw that I would like to see it eliminated.

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've linked guides that tell you to dictate/charm all kinds of mobs. Sirran is obviously never mentioned.. don't you think they woulda tried it? :P

lets agree to agree

[Splorf22]

http://www.therunes.net/g-charm.htm

Many Enchanters wonder about the why the fixed duration Dictate spell was even added. While the situations for its use are very limited, there are a few places this spell can be useful. The most noteworthy is Kael. The high level giants (55+) there are immune to all forms of Mez, but are still flagged as charmable. Dictate can be used in this situation as a 48 second crowd control spell. However, this spell outlived its usefulness back during Scars of Velious, and with the addition of the newer high level charms it has gone the way of the Dodo bird. Though, “Frozen Moses” and Sirran the Lunatic owned many a mob for the resourceful and daring back in the days of Velious. Ahhhh the memories of solo farming Shields' of the Void! But I digress, back to the guide. /wave Salidor

So there is at least one guy who claims Sirran is charmable. Personally as stated before I think that he is just so imbalancing that he should be immune, kind of like how rogues got a working backstab from day one even though it wasn't classic. As long as the boss mobs are MR immune (and therefore to dictate) I don't really see the issue with the level cap - even something like Tolapumj isn't crazy OP to charm for 30 seconds. The spell should mostly be useful for charming high level stuff like the bizzts or sebilite juggernauts or such.

Speaking of which, when did it get changed to 48 seconds from 30?