FE knowingly KS's TMO's Trak, Rushes to complete keys and Epics

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As an aside, I've long been a proponent, within the internal TMO dialogue, that we should greatly expand the endangered species list to all targets on a rotating basis excluding Trak and Phara`Dar.

However, I've noticed that when outsiders raise the banner of indignation internal resistance to the idea increases dramatically. This is not to say that the server brings it upon itself. Not at all. This is simply an observation, use it as you will. When we're accused of being patronizing for having the list at all, people want to kill it. When we're accused of being control freaks for only sharing table scrap mobs (say, outdoor dragons), people want to stop the list. When we're accused of being anti-social children for killing every target, people want to lock it down harder.

The more you rally against someone, the harder they'll push back. Every time TMO is vilified (rightly or wrongly), a specific mentality is inflamed. Certain actions and statements, however justifiable, true, or untrue, are adding fuel to the fire.

Food for thought.

You're not really in the position to grace the server by allowing other guilds to get 1 kill a week at your desecration anymore. You guys can't lock down half the targets anymore when you try to. Moot point is moot.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're not really in the position to grace the server by allowing other guilds to get 1 kill a week at your desecration[SIC -Ed.] anymore. You guys can't lock down half the targets anymore when you try to. Moot point is moot.

I suspect you missed the point entirely. My post was social commentary. It was directed towards the criticism of TMO's efforts (however honorable or pathetic). I simply stated that certain solutions become non-viable when the social setting reaches a certain level of animosity.

Whether or not TMO can lock down targets is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is the direction and nature of the dialogue.

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suspect you missed the point entirely. My post was social commentary. It was directed towards the criticism of TMO's efforts (however honorable or pathetic). I simply stated that certain solutions become non-viable when the social setting reaches a certain level of animosity.

Whether or not TMO can lock down targets is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is the direction and nature of the dialogue.

Whats the point of social commentary if it has no relation to the current situation on the server anymore?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whats the point of social commentary if it has no relation to the current situation on the server anymore?

If it had no relation, then it would be irrelevant. Such is not the case.

In this very thread, the notion of joint rotations/Endangered lists/etc. between TMO, FE, and others is discussed. My comments simply point out that if you bash someone, they're not going to want to talk to you. That is incredibly relevant to the discussion. Though my observations were strictly from within TMO proper, I submit very strongly that the general principle is applicable to the social dynamic of other guilds as well.

That is the relevance of my observation.

I hope this addresses your concerns. Though I suspect, based upon your previous language, that you are more interested in tearing down the concept simply because of its source as opposed to taking issue with its content.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it had no relation, then it would be irrelevant. Such is not the case.

In this very thread, the notion of joint rotations/Endangered lists/etc. between TMO, FE, and others is discussed. My comments simply point out that if you bash someone, they're not going to want to talk to you. That is incredibly relevant to the discussion. Though my observations were strictly from within TMO proper, I submit very strongly that the general principle is applicable to the social dynamic of other guilds as well.

That is the relevance of my observation.

I hope this addresses your concerns. Though I suspect, based upon your previous language, that you are more interested in tearing down the concept simply because of its source as opposed to taking issue with its content.

Give me a break. You guys enjoy being bashed and then trolling endlessly.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Give me a break. You guys enjoy being bashed and then trolling endlessly.

Some do. Others take great effort to maintain and cultivate a reputation of thoughtfulness, care, and diplomacy.

Perhaps you should narrow the scope of your statement.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some do. Others take great effort to maintain and cultivate a reputation of thoughtfulness, care, and diplomacy.

Perhaps you should narrow the scope of your statement.

Can agree with that. The most vocal members of your guild on this forum love the attention be it good or bad...

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

desecration

Lol spell check.