Camp Stealing?

[Tasslehofp99]

How are logs themselves going to assist in settling camp disputes?

Are player logs really used to determine the details of a disputr?
That seems quite unfair, don't the gm's have access to the same logs?
Why risk a spiteful person submitting doctored logs/screenshots to get back at superior players of whom they are jealous? There isn't a better way to determine what was said by both sides?

I've been threatened with petition by folks in kc who claim camps an clear half of the area. In those situations they leave half of a camp up and if someone else comes along and grabs mobs in their camp which they weren't killing in the first place, the person rages.


For instance I zone into KC yesterday and see 4 or 5 nameds up, most of which being at the bottom of track because folks in kc at the time can't locate them or care not to. I start heading towards the nameds with harmony or by clearing mobs, either way works. I come across someone in LCY camp, harmony past them without issue.

Then I go to pull a named, which this person in lcy takes note of. They begin to follow me past lcy towards berserker area, despite the fact that they already have 2 mobs engaged/rooted. I tag the named, pull it to a safe spot and the guy in LCY starts trying to ks me. I out damage him, kill the mob, and loot up.

He then petitions me for camp stealing and ks'ing, claiming he'd been camping lcy for hours and I just came in and jacked his named. I of course find this laughable because in order to get to the named I killed he would have had to clear about 8 more mobs on top of the 2 he had. To be a prick I linked the mobs rare drop even tho it dropped jarsath armor, because he had already stated his intentions to petition me.


At this point I told him to petition and that id done nothing wrong since he was in lcy and unable to safely pull the named I killed. He says he did, and I got an invite to a group downstairs, so I swapped over to my rogue and joined the group.

The dude id just had a dispute with on my other character shows up at my group asking if they had room still, because apparently they had been waiting for him to join, but got fed up and invited me instead.




The dude went ape shit, trash talking all 6 members of the group and said he can't wait till a gm sees the logs so that my other character would be banned.


After this I proceeded to abuse him in tells for being a spiteful fuck, and I'm willing to bet all that was included in whatever petition he submitted. How in this case would logs help at all? They would only show me calling the guy an idiot for claiming lcy was camped when he had alreadyaccepted a group invite to basement? I mean I told him it was my mob he was trying to steal and he just became angry and ignorant. Why should people be forced to play nice with jackasses like this?


Also, people who submit false petitions should be perma ip banned, same goes for 2 boxers and rmt'ers.


Btw persons name in game was bearhugz aka bigazz, guys a head case. Deserves a suspension if he truly did submit a petition on my behalf. I've never met a bigger lying sack of scum in game, avoid him if possible as hes a bad player and a worse person, if you attempt to move past him in a zone he will proceed to cry in tells to you about how shitty his life is.

[Alovia]

I feel like I keep repeating myself..

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How are logs themselves going to assist in settling camp disputes?

They arent, they assist us. Alot of time we can compare logs and use it to help us make a determination. There is no ONE solution that is going to solve everything. We are still going to talk to everyone involved, get their story. Combined with FRAPs, Logs, our logs, what we witness etc etc will ALL go to making a determination/desision.

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are player logs really used to determine the details of a disputr?
That seems quite unfair, don't the gm's have access to the same logs?
Why risk a spiteful person submitting doctored logs/screenshots to get back at superior players of whom they are jealous? There isn't a better way to determine what was said by both sides?

Yes and no. We can get an insite to what the player sees with their logs. Its just another tool.

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been threatened with petition by folks in kc who claim camps an clear half of the area. In those situations they leave half of a camp up and if someone else comes along and grabs mobs in their camp which they weren't killing in the first place, the person rages.

9 out of 10 times camp disputes turn into a he said she said issue.

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The dude went ape shit, trash talking all 6 members of the group and said he can't wait till a gm sees the logs so that my other character would be banned.

Logs in this case would be helpfull. If its obvious player/group harassment, its a no brainer. Its not really a camp dispute anymore.

However, if its in direct tells, you have a thing called /ignore.

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After this I proceeded to abuse him in tells for being a spiteful fuck, and I'm willing to bet all that was included in whatever petition he submitted. How in this case would logs help at all? They would only show me calling the guy an idiot for claiming lcy was camped when he had alreadyaccepted a group invite to basement? I mean I told him it was my mob he was trying to steal and he just became angry and ignorant. Why should people be forced to play nice with jackasses like this?

I normally stay out of issues that are taken to tells because of /ignore. I dont even consider stuff like that usefull execept that you may need to get you mouth washed out with soap.

Sometimes things are witnessed different from different players. You may feel wronged but so does he. We cannot take sides in matters. I listen to each equally. And as I said before. I prefer it 100% if the players can come up with a desision on their own.

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, people who submit false petitions should be perma ip banned, same goes for 2 boxers and rmt'ers.

Everyone plays differently. So naturally some people think small things are big issues to them.. False or not, we still talk to them.



Corpse disputes are one of the hardest things for us to decifer. So far for me, I have not had an issue poping in, and being able to talk it out with both sides in agreement. If both players are coorperative then its goes nice and smoothly.

A big issue with this is the Pained Soul. Alot of people like to sit there and go afk. Players will come up and be like "you there?" no response after several times. etc etc. and start killling.

PLayer comes back from AFK and claims camp taken over! Well in the rules, to hold a camp you must be present and able to kill.

I normally find player logs helpful in this case, because I can see the time they started to ask if he was AFK or not. to when he started to attack mobs for the first time in his logs, and compare them to ours.

In cases like this, logs are extremly helpful.

This is not the case ALL the time, and realize EVERY SITUATION is different.

Logs will NEVER be the sole reason a desision is made... its just helpful

I am not saying logs are going to be the answer. My chime in orginally was is that its a good idea. Its not going to hurt you, your not doing anything more than your already doing now. It just helps paint a better picture IFthe situation escalated.

[SupaflyIRL]

Originally Posted by Alovia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

9 out of 10 times camp disputes turn into a he said she said issue.

So what you're saying is that 9/10 times people don't provide proper screenshots or logs. When people don't, you force them to random.

What I take away from this is that you can go into any camp you want, be a dick, and have a 50/50 shot at stealing the camp with a GM seal of approval.