Half of FE's monks are suspended, Loses Trak when they have to compete

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From the fraps that you and and elethia both posted, your own member was to blame for those AEs.

While Trak was AEing he was trying to cast a blind on Helicopter.

YOUR OWN MEMBER "TRAINED" YOU.

And yes, If your raid force is standing out in the open looking at a raid target and gets hit by AEs, it is 100% your fault.

Did TMO just run in to hug Trakanon then? You really expect people who have fought Trakanon many times to believe that Helicopter TOOK AGRO from your tanks when you were attempting to KILL trakanon? Like I said, GM encounter logs please.

And no, if your raid force is out of LoS of a target and that target is brought onto your raidforce only to start AEing it, it is not 100% your fault.

Fact of the matter is that Helicopter logged into Trak already being brought upon us. GMs encounter log would show this, because this is the earliest FRAPs I have been able to find.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9f0TRG0gU4

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did TMO just run in to hug Trakanon then? You really expect people who have fought Trakanon many times to believe that Helicopter TOOK AGRO from your tanks when you were attempting to KILL trakanon? Like I said, GM encounter logs please.

And no, if your raid force is out of LoS of a target and that target is brought onto your raidforce only to start AEing it, it is not 100% your fault.

Fact of the matter is that Helicopter logged into Trak already being brought upon us. GMs encounter log would show this, because this is the earliest FRAPs I have been able to find.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9f0TRG0gU4

Look argue back and forth all you want.

This is probably the worst "raiding" I've ever seen, from both sides.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look argue back and forth all you want.

This is probably the worst "raiding" I've ever seen, from both sides.

People log on and expect to have a race for numbers, perhaps an FTE stall at most. People are not logging on expecting Trak AEing them on the ledge. There may have been situational errors on the part of FE, but the worst 'raiding' aspect of it clearly falls onto the group who decides to engage Trak and somehow fails to engage him...

When this happened to FE on the Trak after the increased agro range patch, FE did not need to be told that they had a bad engage; we admitted that our engage was wrong. TMO seems not able to accept the fact that they fucked up, instead comically trying to blame a sole wizard for disrupting their entire Trak engage and not their own inability or intentions.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People log on and expect to have a race for numbers, perhaps an FTE stall at most. People are not logging on expecting Trak AEing them on the ledge. There may have been situational errors on the part of FE, but the worst 'raiding' aspect of it clearly falls onto the group who decides to engage Trak and somehow fails to engage him...

When this happened to FE on the Trak after the increased agro range patch, FE did not need to be told that they had a bad engage; we admitted that our engage was wrong. TMO seems not able to accept the fact that they fucked up, instead comically trying to blame a sole wizard for disrupting their entire Trak engage and not their own inability or intentions.

I can't tell by any of these fraps who has aggro other than Heli (guessing he is the wizard).

At no time does trakanon appear to be dumped on anyone (the sign of being trained) nor does he appear to be intentionally dragged on top of your raid force (looks like he is just roaming around trying to get to a target or targets). This doesn't look like a train an any form to me.

Both fraps look like huge fuck ups to me, which is the reason for "raiding".

FYI, I remember being in TMO and logging into a Trak AEing us at that exact spot, we logged out (called over vent immediately). So it really boggles my mind as to why an entire raid force just stands and dies to AEs ( I think I only seen option in your guild chat calling for a camp out ).

Could there have been TMO on Trak aggro running him around down there, definitely possible. Do we see any of them on these fraps? nope. If you can point it out, I'll stfu, but you have to see how this looks and how you're painting it towards others.

My standpoint is: This isn't a train, it's a clusterfuck of retarded proportions and both parties are completely responsible.

[baramur]

I will agree both parties tucked up. But you have to admit if tmo had jot engaged then there would be no issue. Did they intentionally move trak so it would agri or ae Fe, no I don't think they did. The problem isnt intention, its reality. Tmo engage early to kill, stall for more numbers, whatever, its a good call to engage quick, but engage goes bad, trak leaves lairz Fe gets caught in it. Simple as that. All the other shit following that was idiocracy on both guilds to an extent and raiding on p99 its worst. Pathetic guilds can not work together and compromise with each other instead if having a shit show, petition, gm event at every raid. At some point when does it become more logical to share pussy instead of everyone trying to insert dicks into same one.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But you have to admit if tmo had not engaged then there would be no issue.

So now TMO isn't allowed to engage a mob?

no, I know thats misinterpreted, I just laughed when reading so had to repeat it back.

I understand what you're really trying to say in that if we had engaged with larger numbers to start then MAYBE this may not have happened, as it is, we didn't, and it did happen... not with intention, not with malice, simply a botched engage.

Instead of logging out to avoid snafu, FE stayed in, and even engaged with similar low numbers... had FE logged out instead and let it reset, MAYBE you would have beat trak today, but you didn't.

We ended up getting rezzed up faster to engage and beat Trak.

We can throw a bunch of what if scenarios here all day long, but what happened, happened.

Errors in judgement made on both sides yes?

My largest annoyance here, is that if you look at the fraps that started this thread, a monk IN AGRO LOS OF TRAK stands to pull the corpse, and that resulted in a train - ON BOTH GUILDS, why stand?

You can /corpse while FD... you stand, you see mobs coming at you, you FD again! there's 2 options for you to do rather than train... neither of these happened.

Thats a pretty terribad monk move, and I would like to think that nobody is that bad at being a monk. If they are, they should reroll or something because seriously, its like you have never played a monk before or something...

I can only assume that they are NOT that bad, how else could you have gotten to 60... which means that they wanted the stuff to come... which leads to the simple conclusion that they were trying to train.

[Scowlie]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand what you're really trying to say in that if we had engaged with larger numbers to start then MAYBE this may not have happened, as it is, we didn't, and it did happen... not with intention, not with malice, simply a botched engage.

You stalled with a small amount of numbers and deliberately wiped us at ledge. There is a fraps that shows this clearly. If you had not intentionally wiped us, there would have been no CRing shenanigans and Trak would have died before you even had enough people logged in to legitimately engage.

Funny story, every time you engage Trak from across the ledge, you always run past it. There was zero reason for any of your members to be peeking around the corner and sitting on top of our raid.

You can try to spin that any way you want, but the few fraps we have is pretty evident and shows what really happened.

Anything after your guild wiping us is moot - your entire raid should have been suspended on the spot.

Then you guys follow it up with trying to steal our Sev pull that we were engaged on so you could presumably jack the spells or some shit? I dunno, TMO is shady as fuck.

You aren't fun to compete with and RNF has become a platform for your guild to spew your bullshit.

[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People log on and expect to have a race for numbers, perhaps an FTE stall at most. People are not logging on expecting Trak AEing them on the ledge. There may have been situational errors on the part of FE, but the worst 'raiding' aspect of it clearly falls onto the group who decides to engage Trak and somehow fails to engage him...

When this happened to FE on the Trak after the increased agro range patch, FE did not need to be told that they had a bad engage; we admitted that our engage was wrong. TMO seems not able to accept the fact that they fucked up, instead comically trying to blame a sole wizard for disrupting their entire Trak engage and not their own inability or intentions.

Hey sloan, you are posting a lot of bullshit for the guild leader of a guild that wiped on a clean attempt with 41 people after all these fraps occured. Why doesn't someone post that in all your links? QQ more.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey sloan, you are posting a lot of bullshit for the guild leader of a guild that wiped on a clean attempt with 41 people after all these fraps occured. Why doesn't someone post that in all your links? QQ more.

Selective posting!

[baramur]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Selective posting!

Ya we rushed and wiped 41 people maybe 35 at trak and some just rezzedz it happens. Curious though is would tmo lost another trak, just like last trak had they not engaged and trained. Is rather wipe on qn honest attekpt then train a guild on a dishonest one. But its ok train was prolly caused by an alt.