Half of FE's monks are suspended, Loses Trak when they have to compete

[Enygma]

FE logic:

He clearly had duct tape on his keys forcing him to go "back and to his left" as a result he should be unsuspended because he was AT his keyboard WHILE the duct tabe was engaged.

...lol.

[cyryllis]

heres a good analogy:

guys go to rob a bank, get the money but get shot dead out in the parking lot, and as this is happening there is a separate group of people standing by who are like...shit there is money to be had...so they grab the bags and hop in their car. Police who shot the first group go chasing them down. They drive at 20 miles an hour and pull in to their property and run into the house. Cops bust in and shoot the whole family and their dog. Distant relatives blame other bank robbers for the deaths of their loved ones.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by cyryllis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

heres a good analogy:

guys go to rob a bank, get the money but get shot dead out in the parking lot, and as this is happening there is a separate group of people standing by who are like...shit there is money to be had...so they grab the bags and hop in their car. Police who shot the first group go chasing them down. They drive at 20 miles an hour and pull in to their property and run into the house. Cops bust in and shoot the whole family and their dog. Distant relatives blame other bank robbers for the deaths of their loved ones.

This is a poor analogy because in the case of Trakanon today it was impossible for FE to log out both having been hit by Trak AE and being subject to getting hit by Trak AE again.

I guess impossible is the wrong word...suicidal for their ability to engage Trak is better.

This is all moot, however...why FE was hit and subject to Trak AE in the first place is the problem here, not what FE does about it once it happens. If this logic is applied to every instance where a mob is trained onto another individual or group of people, the person at fault would always be the person or people trained and their inability to deal with it.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a poor analogy because in the case of Trakanon today it was impossible for FE to log out both having been hit by Trak AE and being subject to getting hit by Trak AE again.

I guess impossible is the wrong word...suicidal for their ability to engage Trak is better.

This is all moot, however...why FE was hit and subject to Trak AE in the first place is the problem here, not what FE does about it once it happens. If this logic is applied to every instance where a mob is trained onto another individual or group of people, the person at fault would always be the person or people trained and their inability to deal with it.

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

His wing was. But fine he was on the side of poop hill and his ae hit everyone on poop hill

FE stood in los of trakanon and got hit with AEs. If you're looking at the dragon you already knew you were going to eat AEs.

You didn't get trained.

You made bad calls.

1) after logging in and seeing where Trak is, you allowed more people to log in and stay in LOS of trakanon.

2) you made a call to engage a dragon that you had already taken AE/s from without knowing if you had fte or not (or maybe you did?)

This would be the equivalent of me going to pull talendor or sev and you beating me to the punch and I take an AE when it happens. There is no way I could say that you trained me because I took an AE.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FE stood in los of trakanon and got hit with AEs. If you're looking at the dragon you already knew you were going to eat AEs.

You didn't get trained.

You made bad calls.

1) after logging in and seeing where Trak is, you allowed more people to log in and stay in LOS of trakanon.

2) you made a call to engage a dragon that you had already taken AE/s from without knowing if you had fte or not (or maybe you did?)

This would be the equivalent of me going to pull talendor or sev and you beating me to the punch and I take an AE when it happens. There is no way I could say that you trained me because I took an AE.

This is not equivalent at all. Going out to consciously engage a dragon with a puller or pull team and being hit by the AE because someone else beat you to it is quite different than you, for example, pulling talendor or sev on a raidforce and then claiming that they should have seen it coming and moved...which is exactly what your claim is.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is not equivalent at all. Going out to consciously engage a dragon with a puller or pull team and being hit by the AE because someone else beat you to it is quite different than you, for example, pulling talendor or sev on a raidforce and then claiming that they should have seen it coming and moved...which is exactly what your claim is.

From the fraps that you and elethia both posted, your own member was to blame for those AEs.

While Trak was AEing he was trying to cast a blind on Helicopter.

YOUR OWN MEMBER "TRAINED" YOU.

And yes, If your raid force is standing out in the open looking at a raid target and gets hit by AEs, it is 100% your fault.

[baramur]

If the only way you would ever aggrod is another guild engages and wipes, the other guild trained you. It's simple as that, tmo engage cause trak to move into los and aggro, which he never would have done if not engaged, its the very definition of training.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From the fraps that you and and elethia both posted, your own member was to blame for those AEs.

While Trak was AEing he was trying to cast a blind on Helicopter.

YOUR OWN MEMBER "TRAINED" YOU.

And yes, If your raid force is standing out in the open looking at a raid target and gets hit by AEs, it is 100% your fault.

Did TMO just run in to hug Trakanon then? You really expect people who have fought Trakanon many times to believe that Helicopter TOOK AGRO from your tanks when you were attempting to KILL trakanon? Like I said, GM encounter logs please.

And no, if your raid force is out of LoS of a target and that target is brought onto your raidforce only to start AEing it, it is not 100% your fault.

Fact of the matter is that Helicopter logged into Trak already being brought upon us. GMs encounter log would show this, because this is the earliest FRAPs I have been able to find.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9f0TRG0gU4