Rangers in Velious?

[ArumTP]

Originally Posted by Malone88 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being the "worst of" is pretty much the same story for all hybrids (ranger/paladin/SK/bard) isn't it? Isn't that what's called utility? Let's consider
that most pure melee (Warrior/Monk/Rogue) have like 0 in most of those areas,
so maybe rangers aren't "the worst". I think playing a pure melee would bore
me to tears, so please give me the 'most underpowered in the history of MMORPGs' class...

Was nice that griefers like you had to eat some serious crow when PoP + Archery AAs came out. Rangers became THE BEST class to play and one of the MOST powerful!

I salute any Ranger on 'live' who stuck it out that long and got richly rewarded for years of grief...

Stop being emotionally involved by "your" class. Rangers never get good in the era of this server, PoP and archery AAs aren't even relevant to this discussion.

Paladins/Shadow-knight are non-ideal tanks, but fulfill the tank role in everything but raid content. They get a pass in groups because we will deal with the penalty due to a lack of tanks at times. Without the tank there just can't be a group.

Bards get a pass because they can iffy fulfill the slot of an enchanter. They are also a good 5th-6th slot due to the many things they can bring to a group. They are highly desirable on raids.

RANGERS DON'T GET A PASS
They are just DPS. Monk>Rogue>Warrior>RANGER. For every 1 ranger I can find maybe 3-4 monks, 3-4 warriors, and 2-3 rogues on any given day. There is no reason to shoulder the burden of a poorly designed class when better replacements can be found in abundance.

[Malone88]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stop being emotionally involved by "your" class. Rangers never get good in the era of this server, PoP and archery AAs aren't even relevant to this discussion.

Paladins/Shadow-knight are non-ideal tanks, but fulfill the tank role in everything but raid content. They get a pass in groups because we will deal with the penalty due to a lack of tanks at times. Without the tank there just can't be a group.

Bards get a pass because they can iffy fulfill the slot of an enchanter. They are also a good 5th-6th slot due to the many things they can bring to a group. They are highly desirable on raids.

RANGERS DON'T GET A PASS
They are just DPS. Monk>Rogue>Warrior>RANGER. For every 1 ranger I can find maybe 3-4 monks, 3-4 warriors, and 2-3 rogues on any given day. There is no reason to shoulder the burden of a poorly designed class when better replacements can be found in abundance.

"Rangers are just DPS" sums it up right there. Kinda similar to "Rangers suck cause they can't tank."

Lets see your 3 warriors/3 monks/3 rogues save your group's a$$ when:

1) Unsnared mob grabs his buddies and pulls to your group.
2) FD-broken monk brings adds that aggro your casters..
3) Warrior can't hold mob's attention after heal aggro...healer dead, group wipe.

Sorry, but no warrior/monk/rogue can help you in any of these situations.

[SupaflyIRL]

Originally Posted by Malone88 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Rangers are just DPS" sums it up right there. Kinda similar to "Rangers suck cause they can't tank."

Lets see your 3 warriors/3 monks/3 rogues save your group's a$$ when:

1) Unsnared mob grabs his buddies and pulls to your group.
2) FD-broken monk brings adds that aggro your casters..
3) Warrior can't hold mob's attention after heal aggro...healer dead, group wipe.

Sorry, but no warrior/monk/rogue can help you in any of these situations.

yes because it's hard to

1) cast one spell on each mob or have four classes in group that can root cc
2) not run straight into camp with 10 mobs on you
3) lol

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by Malone88 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Rangers are just DPS" sums it up right there. Kinda similar to "Rangers suck cause they can't tank."

Lets see your 3 warriors/3 monks/3 rogues save your group's a$$ when:

1) Unsnared mob grabs his buddies and pulls to your group.
2) FD-broken monk brings adds that aggro your casters..
3) Warrior can't hold mob's attention after heal aggro...healer dead, group wipe.

Sorry, but no warrior/monk/rogue can help you in any of these situations.

Yeah, that's why every group I'm in people always say, "Well there is a warrior, monk and rogue LFG, but I'm gonna hold out for a ranger to replace me, guys."

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, that's why every group I'm in people always say, "Well there is a warrior, monk and rogue LFG, but I'm gonna hold out for a ranger to replace me, guys."

Lol, Classic.

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Paladins/Shadow-knight are non-ideal tanks, but fulfill the tank role in everything but raid content. They get a pass in groups because we will deal with the penalty due to a lack of tanks at times. Without the tank there just can't be a group.

Interesting you forget to mention monks, probably the most common melee, make excellent tanks in most content and have the ability to hold agro adequately. Knights get a pass because of ignorance, nothing more.

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RANGERS DON'T GET A PASS
They are just DPS. Monk>Rogue>Warrior>RANGER. For every 1 ranger I can find maybe 3-4 monks, 3-4 warriors, and 2-3 rogues on any given day. There is no reason to shoulder the burden of a poorly designed class when better replacements can be found in abundance.

Monks suck balls at pulling outdoors compared to a ranger. Snare is handy if you lack other snares. Foraging is nice for finding berries. And you're not sacrificing that much dps.

Otherwise, pretty accurate.

Monks, rogues, and warriors are all boring as shit imo

[Vadd]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks, rogues, and warriors are all boring as shit imo

My main is a Warrior.... so I don't play Knights.

My Monk alt got boring...

Playing my 27 Ranger and bow kiting the lowbie guards stationed at the inn's in EC is a pleasant experience every time....

Rogues MAY do more DPS?

But Rangers get a hat full of tricks, that's what makes it a fun class for me.

P.S. I'm fairly certain there's 1-2 60 Rangers with legit tanking abilities.....