First Aggro + 15

[Skope]

The GM's don't want to intervene. The reason we have rules in the first place is to prevent the GM's from coming in to intervene. If we were to play by these rules you might as well issue a permanent GM to every zone that's got a target people will look to lay claim to.

Suicide Kings was a better idea. It needed refining, but at least it promotes competition, tracking, and can actually do away with camping in a manner that avoids mass controversy and promotes a healthy raiding atmosphere.

[Akame]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The GM's don't want to intervene. The reason we have rules in the first place is to prevent the GM's from coming in to intervene. If we were to play by these rules you might as well issue a permanent GM to every zone that's got a target people will look to lay claim to.

Suicide Kings was a better idea. It needed refining, but at least it promotes competition, tracking, and can actually do away with camping in a manner that avoids mass controversy and promotes a healthy raiding atmosphere.

But without GM enforcement there are no punishments that will actually give the population enough of an aversion to not following the rules to actually stick to it. At least picking GM enforcement that is already in the original play nice rule set means we aren't creating any type of punishments that didn't exist in classic EQ.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Akame [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But without GM enforcement there are no punishments that will actually give the population enough of an aversion to not following the rules to actually stick to it. At least picking GM enforcement that is already in the original play nice rule set means we aren't creating any type of punishments that didn't exist in classic EQ.

What don't you get? the GM's don't want to intervene! they don't want to babysit! And they've said it numerous times before! The reason we even have rules is so they don't have to sift through countless petitions. They're busy with programming, handling bugs and trying to catch cheats. The last thing they would want is to babysit us raiders in a zone. The current 'play nice' rules would do what exactly? They're a deterrent, but when you have to watch fraps, sift through countless of screenshots and still don't have enough proof to pinpoint a responsible party then all the parties involved are essentially screwed.

[Akame]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What don't you get? the GM's don't want to intervene! they don't want to babysit! And they've said it numerous times before! The reason we even have rules is so they don't have to sift through countless petitions. They're busy with programming, handling bugs and trying to catch cheats. The last thing they would want is to babysit us raiders in a zone. The current 'play nice' rules would do what exactly? They're a deterrent, but when you have to watch fraps, sift through countless of screenshots and still don't have enough proof to pinpoint a responsible party then all the parties involved are essentially screwed.

All parties are essentially screwed either way then, there is not enough populace interaction on these boards to merit the community blacklisting that was effective in the old world, and without GM's that are willing to enforce rules, then you might as well just keep the current plan and camp your mobs for four days, since near as I can tell there is actual (imagine that) GM enforced repercussions.

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More senseless crap.

You're funny, you must be a stand up comedian in real life. That or you're completely ignorant of the way the world works. I'm betting the second. You still don't get it do you. Everyone on this board only represents a minority of the population of the server. You can shout here all day about how your opinion matters more than others because of what you've done on the server and No. One. Cares.

The truth is that only a handful of the players who post (who are already only a handful of the players who play) even pay attention to the raiding populace threads and topics. And none of that handful is agreeing with you, and I'm guessing that the others that don't pay attention to the thread, and the larger collective that doesn't even care for our existence would not agree with your assumptions that you know whats best for them solely on the fact that you play more than they do and are in a raiding guild.

So sit down, shut up, and help US, come up with a solid system that is best for everyone. Because if you don't, there will be no focus in this minority and without focus and a goal, nothing is going to get done and you will still be camping 15+ in a zone for four days straight by the time Velious rolls around.

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You couldn't just zone into Fear and see if Cazic was up. I don't think you realize it, but back in the day you couldn't actually track Innoruuk from the zone line either. You didn't know that did you. SOE wasn't stupid.

When guilds are clearing trash regularly (which currently happens here, and happened all the time back on live too) you don't exactly need to hug the zl to track do you? Trash respawns? Mulch it down with a group and go back to tracking. Or did you maybe forget that is how it was done? Triggered trash respawn? Don't even need to track to know the target's up.

Keep splooging everywhere, you'll be sure to hit something. Eventually.

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When guilds are clearing trash regularly (which currently happens here, and happened all the time back on live too) you don't exactly need to hug the zl to track do you? Trash respawns? Mulch it down with a group and go back to tracking. Or did you maybe forget that is how it was done? Triggered trash respawn? Don't even need to track to know the target's up.

Keep splooging everywhere, you'll be sure to hit something. Eventually.

I don't know about other guilds but I know that we regularly clear the zone to gear up members and have fun for a few hours between camping sessions. Then we just chill till the next respawn. Kinda how it works already \o/

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know about other guilds but I know that we regularly clear the zone to gear up members and have fun for a few hours between camping sessions. Then we just chill till the next respawn. Kinda how it works already \o/

Precisely my point. Trash is down, trackers will do what they do.