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[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only reason not to call a cc in lguk is if you want to snag something surreptitiously.

That's really not the case with King camp. I promise you, I spent like two weeks straight in Lower Guk -- King is very rarely camped. It's more trouble than it's worth for most groups. He was bound there for presumably that very reason, as are many other enchanters. You gate, you check if it's uncamped, and if it is, you nab it for awhile. If it's not, you invis and run out the portal to Inny Swamp. It's not a big deal. It's not like he waltzed into Frenzied without asking. He just gated or logged in at his bind point, a commonly empty camp.

[nicemace]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only reason not to call a cc in lguk is if you want to snag something surreptitiously.

actually i never call CC in any zone.

when you have the gift of mobility and can go anywhere you want its easiser to just run somewhere and look.

[Daldolma]

By the way, I feel this is getting lost in the discussion: I can't say enough good things about Divinity. I would say a majority of the nicest, most helpful people I've met in game have been Divinity members. I don't believe this is a damning indictment of Divinity, or even of the individuals that may have acted inappropriately. In the end, everything was righted, and it was a sufficiently complex issue to at least excuse, if not condone, a bit of over-zealous loot-whoring.

I'm posting more in defense of the original poster than to say anything bad about anyone. I don't know Shewz, in fact I'd never even heard of him before this thread. But I think his only offense in this whole matter was bringing it to Rants and Flames after being allowed to roll, which should have brought the matter to closure IMO. I don't think he deserves to be crucified for all this when in reality, it seems like he was trying to do the right thing and was taken advantage of for it, to some degree.

The real shame is that the damn King spawned with a Mithril 2-hander, because 99% of the time, this exact situation wouldn't have even resulted in any hard feelings. But because this 1% involved a 10k sword, everyone -- from what seems like a nice guy (Shewz) to a group from a genuinely great guild -- is getting flamed for it.

[Wrei]

Wow 20 pages... of all saying the same things using different words. A few thoughts:

1. There is no need before greed. For every legit need there's 20 douchebag greed claiming need. From selling off stuff or passing it to a guildy to twinking etc... no one NEEDS anything. They all WANT something.

2. The CC call: I answered a CC call when one was shouted but never made one of my own. Some people/group lay claims to a camp while sitting at the zoneline for w/e reason. You goto a camp spot and if it's a full spawn and the camp remains empty for the next 5min (while u buff/prep) then the camp is YOURS. For every legit CR sob stories, there's 20 more greedy lies on previous ownership. Don't wipe. If you wipe, get back to camp spot quick before someone else goes there, it's quite simple.

3. The whole agreement honor thing... If your really the bigger man then you should have left before you proposed said agreement. If you really wanted the sword that badly then you should have stayed (as was your right). Don't feel you "owe" them anything because believe me, had the situation been reversed you would have been told to go cry somewhere else. At least they would have been practical enough to not make retarded agreements. Everyone in this scenario was greedy, at least own up to it. This pot calling the kettle black shit is weak.

4. You "need" to zone out, because someone in the group acknowledged that it's the best way for an enchanter to solo? You don't need to zone to solo, it's just the lazy way to play. Just like people using tab targeting instead of manual... it's just a short cut/crutch for some chanters to do.

The funny thing is this whole thread COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED had the enchanter not been a COMPLETE FAILURE and actually break the camp properly without resorting to "enchanter for dummies" guidebook.

[Shewz]

President is just trying to vilify me take blame off of Dravyen, Slappie, Elisa, and Sernity. He's saying I'm "crying" on the forums, he's implying that I knew they were on a CR before I broke the camp, he's saying I'm acting out of pure greed, calling me a liar, a child, a dick, a failure as an enchanter, and the list goes on. I hope this is as obvious to everyone else as it is to me.

I wanted to delete this thread after Autum gave the sword back, but it's apparently not an option. Now I have to defend myself because President and others want to make me the bad guy.

But it's pointless. I can keep defending myself, nitpicking every event, assembling the evidence, but really President has his agenda and can paint any picture he wants with my words, without even having witnessed the incident.

I know now to just tell groups to get bent and leave me alone.

I have to say though, one thing really bothering me is this:
"The funny thing is this whole thread COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED had the enchanter not been a COMPLETE FAILURE and actually break the camp properly without resorting to "enchanter for dummies" guidebook."

If you look closely in the logs you'll see them taking the only bok knight from the camp. I watched that happen. That's why I had to use a kor shaman, that's why I had to zone to heal it. Sorry I'm not up to your standards.

Good night.

[nicemace]

real enchanters (like me) charm the king, kill trash till its on 1% break charm then last hit like a boss.

[Stepy]

If you broke the camp and was holding it there would be no need for all this zoning back and forth to re-break.
It would seem your intention were to wait for all to respawn before leaving camp but the king spawning made you change your mind.
You continue to act as thou they are the bad people are your were the only good even after they were kind enough to give you the sword. Have a good time in EC.
I like how you say they gave it back, as if it was yours regardless.
You should appreciate that they at least gave you a shot at it and just left instead of waiting for a full spawn. Not all of them may not have had good intentions but they did wait for you too attempt to break camp again. I like to be fair about things but i don't think i would have wanted to wait till you were finally successful at your attempt to re-break.

[Stepy]

In situations like this it isn't easy to have a perfect solution either party could have done many different things including leaving the camp completely.
The fact that they reached an agreement with you and in return you decide to reciprocate with leaving with a full spawn which unfortunately lead to this mess had the King not spawned there would be no issue.

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By the way, if we're going to delve into the letter of the law, nobody owns the Quillmane camp, or the AC camp in SRo.

AC is one mob placeholder every 30.666 minutes. That's easily claimable. People seem to think you have to clear everything in SRo for it, yet it's a single spawn node. Quillmane has multiple spawn nodes and points, so that's a little different.

[girth]

Rules are rules. Enchanter lost camp. GG on giving up your mith2h for no reason.