Drama

[President]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By the way, if we're going to delve into the letter of the law, nobody owns the Quillmane camp, or the AC camp in SRo. That doesn't mean you're not a douchebag if you know a guy has been tracking and killing PHs for 4 hours, but you see Quillmane pop and down his ass. You're in total compliance with server rules. And you're a dick. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Which is the point many of us have made. Shewz was in compliance with the server rules, but somewhat dickish for not handing the camp back when the CR'ing group showed up.

The group was in compliance with the server rules when they engaged the mob after Shewz zoned out, but they were also dickish for doing so.

What I find interesting, after both groups being dicks, that they still offered a roll off which Shewz lost.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which is the point many of us have made. Shewz was in compliance with the server rules, but somewhat dickish for not handing the camp back when the CR'ing group showed up.

The group was in compliance with the server rules when they engaged the mob after Shewz zoned out, but they were also dickish for doing so.

What I find interesting, after both groups being dicks, that they still offered a roll off which Shewz lost.

The difference is that the enchanter took the camp after a significant amount of time, and without prior knowledge. It was 20+ minutes. And there's no evidence that he knew the group had been there. Only after he had done a significant amount of work to clear the PH did the group return. It is only fair that he's afforded the very minimal courtesy of owning the rights to his one re-pop. It's not fair for him to do 20 minutes worth of work only to have a group show up and claim his prize. The group had been there longer, they owned the camp: fine. He agreed to that. But he owned the one re-pop that he had just cleared for. Both sides of that, IMO, represent the most fair solution.

The unfortunate fact is that his 1/100 chance of the King spawning with the Mithril 2-hander hit, and the group -- recognizing their position of power over a slower-working, more vulnerable solo'er -- stole the mob when given the opportunity.

Had the enchanter been waiting for the camp, watched the group wipe, and then swooped in, I would have been a lot closer to your point of view: an eye for an eye, basically. But that's not what happened, according to available evidence. He just stumbled upon what he very reasonably deemed an open camp, and he took it. When he was alerted that it was not, in fact, an open camp, he agreed to relinquish it, only claiming the rights to one mob that he had spent the past 15-20 minutes clearing for. I don't see that as being a dick, I really don't.

[President]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference is that the enchanter took the camp after a significant amount of time, and without prior knowledge. It was 20+ minutes. And there's no evidence that he knew the group had been there. Only after he had done a significant amount of work to clear the PH did the group return. It is only fair that he's afforded the very minimal courtesy of owning the rights to his one re-pop. It's not fair for him to do 20 minutes worth of work only to have a group show up and claim his prize. The group had been there longer, they owned the camp: fine. He agreed to that. But he owned the one re-pop that he had just cleared for. Both sides of that, IMO, represent the most fair solution.

The unfortunate fact is that his 1/100 chance of the King spawning with the Mithril 2-hander hit, and the group -- recognizing their position of power over a slower-working, more vulnerable solo'er -- stole the mob when given the opportunity.

Had the enchanter been waiting for the camp, watched the group wipe, and then swooped in, I would have been a lot closer to your point of view: an eye for an eye, basically. But that's not what happened, according to available evidence. He just stumbled upon what he very reasonably deemed an open camp, and he took it. When he was alerted that it was not, in fact, an open camp, he agreed to relinquish it, only claiming the rights to one mob that he had spent the past 15-20 minutes clearing for. I don't see that as being a dick, I really don't.

Need before greed. Someone in the group needed it, the enchanter did not. I really don't care that he gave it to a guildie, he basically had to at this point to make himself look better.

[astarothel]

Only reason not to call a cc in lguk is if you want to snag something surreptitiously.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only reason not to call a cc in lguk is if you want to snag something surreptitiously.

That's really not the case with King camp. I promise you, I spent like two weeks straight in Lower Guk -- King is very rarely camped. It's more trouble than it's worth for most groups. He was bound there for presumably that very reason, as are many other enchanters. You gate, you check if it's uncamped, and if it is, you nab it for awhile. If it's not, you invis and run out the portal to Inny Swamp. It's not a big deal. It's not like he waltzed into Frenzied without asking. He just gated or logged in at his bind point, a commonly empty camp.

[nicemace]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only reason not to call a cc in lguk is if you want to snag something surreptitiously.

actually i never call CC in any zone.

when you have the gift of mobility and can go anywhere you want its easiser to just run somewhere and look.

[Wrei]

Wow 20 pages... of all saying the same things using different words. A few thoughts:

1. There is no need before greed. For every legit need there's 20 douchebag greed claiming need. From selling off stuff or passing it to a guildy to twinking etc... no one NEEDS anything. They all WANT something.

2. The CC call: I answered a CC call when one was shouted but never made one of my own. Some people/group lay claims to a camp while sitting at the zoneline for w/e reason. You goto a camp spot and if it's a full spawn and the camp remains empty for the next 5min (while u buff/prep) then the camp is YOURS. For every legit CR sob stories, there's 20 more greedy lies on previous ownership. Don't wipe. If you wipe, get back to camp spot quick before someone else goes there, it's quite simple.

3. The whole agreement honor thing... If your really the bigger man then you should have left before you proposed said agreement. If you really wanted the sword that badly then you should have stayed (as was your right). Don't feel you "owe" them anything because believe me, had the situation been reversed you would have been told to go cry somewhere else. At least they would have been practical enough to not make retarded agreements. Everyone in this scenario was greedy, at least own up to it. This pot calling the kettle black shit is weak.

4. You "need" to zone out, because someone in the group acknowledged that it's the best way for an enchanter to solo? You don't need to zone to solo, it's just the lazy way to play. Just like people using tab targeting instead of manual... it's just a short cut/crutch for some chanters to do.

The funny thing is this whole thread COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED had the enchanter not been a COMPLETE FAILURE and actually break the camp properly without resorting to "enchanter for dummies" guidebook.

[darkblade717]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference is that the enchanter took the camp after a significant amount of time, and without prior knowledge. It was 20+ minutes. And there's no evidence that he knew the group had been there. Only after he had done a significant amount of work to clear the PH did the group return. It is only fair that he's afforded the very minimal courtesy of owning the rights to his one re-pop. It's not fair for him to do 20 minutes worth of work only to have a group show up and claim his prize. The group had been there longer, they owned the camp: fine. He agreed to that. But he owned the one re-pop that he had just cleared for. Both sides of that, IMO, represent the most fair solution.

The unfortunate fact is that his 1/100 chance of the King spawning with the Mithril 2-hander hit, and the group -- recognizing their position of power over a slower-working, more vulnerable solo'er -- stole the mob when given the opportunity.

Had the enchanter been waiting for the camp, watched the group wipe, and then swooped in, I would have been a lot closer to your point of view: an eye for an eye, basically. But that's not what happened, according to available evidence. He just stumbled upon what he very reasonably deemed an open camp, and he took it. When he was alerted that it was not, in fact, an open camp, he agreed to relinquish it, only claiming the rights to one mob that he had spent the past 15-20 minutes clearing for. I don't see that as being a dick, I really don't.

They had to have been lying, it doesn't take nearly that long to do a CR for king.