Drama

[Stepy]

I don't think it matters if that is the 'Strat' of the day for Enchanters if he has to leave and run back to the camp then it's abandoned. I'm sure others can try a strat. of killing one of the mobs, zoning and running back till it successfully picked off all mobs. If camp is free and clear then fine they can use some strat all day. Clearly he could tell if there was a wipe and the group was considerate to let him have a shot but you can't expect them to wait all day for the Charm - Zone - Return - Med tactic to work.
What would some of you do if you ran in and saw a full spawn or one mob missing and thought, hmmm a chanter must have been using that good ol chanter strat? What if you happened upon the same zone and no one was there and you finished it off and then some chanter walks up and says i was using my strat of the day to clear camp it is mine?

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Stepy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would some of you do if you ran in and saw a full spawn or one mob missing and thought, hmmm a chanter must have been using that good ol chanter strat? What if you happened upon the same zone and no one was there and you finished it off and then some chanter walks up and says i was using my strat of the day to clear camp it is mine?

The problem is that that's not what happened. This group didn't happen upon the camp as the guy was out of zone. They knew what he was doing because he told them, and according to him, he even told them he was going to zone. They agreed to let him have the one mob. Then when he zoned, they killed it. It was wrong. But they gave him the sword, which made everything alright as far as I'm concerned.

And I hadn't seen Shewz's most recent post when I made mine, but it confirms my previous belief that a) the group knew what they were doing, b) he was bound in the King safe hall, and c) the entire "zoning" ordeal likely took less than a full 60 seconds, which renders any kind of defense of the King kill moot. It's one thing if the guy's not there, the group is standing around, and they sake "fuck this, he's not here -- let's take it." But it takes, what? 45 seconds to run to portal, load to Innothule, then gate? They had to be waiting on it, and they had to have engaged the SECOND he zoned out. It's low, it just is.

But again, since they returned the sword, I have a hard time seriously holding this against Divinity. Everyone makes mistakes -- owning the mistake and making reparations is generally above and beyond the call, given the fact that this particular mistake broke no server rule and threatened nobody with any sort of punishment. IMO, chalk another one up for Divinity's generally exceptional reputation, and grats Shewz on the Mithril 2-hander. Not much more to it than that.

[President]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I hadn't seen Shewz's most recent post when I made mine, but it confirms my previous belief that a) the group knew what they were doing, b) he was bound in the King safe hall, and c) the entire "zoning" ordeal likely took less than a full 60 seconds, which renders any kind of defense of the King kill moot. It's one thing if the guy's not there, the group is standing around, and they sake "fuck this, he's not here -- let's take it." But it takes, what? 45 seconds to run to portal, load to Innothule, then gate? They had to be waiting on it, and they had to have engaged the SECOND he zoned out. It's low, it just is.

As low as it is to take a mob when someone zones for 60 seconds, it's just as low to take a mob from a group who was getting replacements and had been camping the mob for X amount of time with players that needed it.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As low as it is to take a mob when someone zones for 60 seconds, it's just as low to take a mob from a group who was getting replacements and had been camping the mob for X amount of time with players that needed it.

I don't agree. If you'll take him at face value on what I consider a non-contentious point, he was bound at king safe hall. That means that he could have gated in or even logged in for the first time just minutes before beginning to clear the camp. And having spent levels 29 to 42 in Lower Guk, I can vouch for the fact that King is rarely camped by a group. It's entirely possible he had no idea that a group had just wiped there. If you arrive at a vacant camp with a full respawn, I don't believe you're obligated to call a CC for it. I also don't believe the Divinity group would have had any right to actually claim King in a CC, anyway, given that they were not there at the moment.

It sucks, but it happens all the time -- you wipe, and by the time you re-gather, your camp is taken. At least in my estimation, it's not really poor form on the part of the new party claiming the camp. I don't see anything wrong with what the enchanter did -- I really don't. I just see him trying to accommodate a group. If he had told them to piss off, and that he now had the camp, they likely would have gone somewhere else and never would have been there to steal the King in the first place. For his generosity, he was awarded with aggravation.

I really don't mean to point fingers, because in the end, everyone did what was right, and I don't think it's fair to condemn wrongs that were righted. But I don't believe it's fair to crap on Shewz. I don't know him in-game, and I actually have had much better experiences with Divinity than WI -- so believe me when I say that I'm not biased. I just feel like he's being victimized due to the overwhelming bias most people have against plat-farming solo'ers, when in reality, he was trying to accommodate the group and keep everyone happy.

[President]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't agree. If you'll take him at face value on what I consider a non-contentious point, he was bound at king safe hall. That means that he could have gated in or even logged in for the first time just minutes before beginning to clear the camp. And having spent levels 29 to 42 in Lower Guk, I can vouch for the fact that King is rarely camped by a group. It's entirely possible he had no idea that a group had just wiped there. If you arrive at a vacant camp with a full respawn, I don't believe you're obligated to call a CC for it. I also don't believe the Divinity group would have had any right to actually claim King in a CC, anyway, given that they were not there at the moment.

I think that part is vague. I know that if I am moving to a camp that we (mostly) know isn't taken due to no response to CC, I would respond to someone else's CC as I was moving there. Alternatively, if I was moving up to grab a replacement, and during that time someone called CC, I would respond to the camp I am at. Technically, due to the rules, the camp wouldn't be "mine" If I wasn't there, but that's where the "exploiting the camp rules in your benefit" comes in.

It is possible to have no idea a group just wiped there, unless they come back and say "Hey weve been here for a while we just had to go get replacements and had a problem on the way." Sure, it's somewhat generous to say "Ok, I'll only take one more spawn and it's yours" and I appreciate that Shewz would have done that, but just giving the camp back to them would have been the "nice" thing to do. A while back I took a group down to the Magi in LGUK after no one responded to CC, we show up, its popped, and started pulling. An enchanter showed up and said he was camping it, so we ported out. Sure, I could have "exploited the camp rules" and made that camp ours, but that would have been the dick thing to do.

It sucks, but it happens all the time -- you wipe, and by the time you re-gather, your camp is taken. At least in my estimation, it's not really poor form on the part of the new party claiming the camp. I don't see anything wrong with what the enchanter did -- I really don't. I just see him trying to accommodate a group. If he had told them to piss off, and that he now had the camp, they likely would have gone somewhere else and never would have been there to steal the King in the first place. For his generosity, he was awarded with aggravation.

I am not sure how you can completely say that its not poor form for a group/enchanter to snake another camp because the group that was there was trying to replace two people. Sure, he could have said piss off, but again that's exploiting the camp rules in your favor, and, a "dick" move. However, it was nice of him to say he will leave after 1 more clear.

I really don't mean to point fingers, because in the end, everyone did what was right, and I don't think it's fair to condemn wrongs that were righted. But I don't believe it's fair to crap on Shewz. I don't know him in-game, and I actually have had much better experiences with Divinity than WI -- so believe me when I say that I'm not biased. I just feel like he's being victimized due to the overwhelming bias most people have against plat-farming solo'ers, when in reality, he was trying to accommodate the group and keep everyone happy.

It might not be fair to crap all OVER Shewz, but it might be fair to crap on him a little bit. I'd say hes partly being victimized due to being a plat-farming solo'er, and partly being victimized because he exploited the camp rules in his favor.

Here's kind of how I see it.

1. Group has been at king camp responding to CC's for X amount of time, has to replace two people, and has a little trouble doing so and has to CR while getting two people.

2. Enchanter logs/gate's in and sees that the camp is spawned/mostly spawned, and no one is around. Decides to clear camp.

3. Group returns to see an enchanter sitting at their camp with the PH killed. Argument starts about whose camp it is. Enchanter agrees to leave after 1 clear.

4. For some reason, enchanter lets the whole thing pop (don't buy his story), and the mith 2h pops.

5. Enchanter is unable to kill king without zoning twice(or, in a reasonable amount of time), at which time the group uses the same camp rules to claim it as theirs, the same thing the enchanter did to them.

6. Arguing continues, group says ok, well lets roll for it.

7. Enchanter losses roll, comes to forums to complain.

[Stepy]

"To the above poster...Are you just a complete fucking idiot? Do you know of the spell "Pacify" or "Calm"? Yes he was planning on leaving because THATS THE FUCKING AGREEMENT HE MADE WITH THEM."

While we are throwing around the term 'idiot'... think before you type, what does "pacify" or "calm" have to do with letting all mobs respawn on a camp you claim you are soloing?
Either you would have to be spitful in letting a camp fully respawn for the group you made this fabulous agreement with but changed your mind about leaving once you seen the named spawned.
Choice #2 you want a full spawn so you can dazzle the crowd with your skills at rebreaking a camp you already broken.

[Auvdar]

1. Group has been at king camp responding to CC's for X amount of time, has to replace two people, and has a little trouble doing so and has to CR while getting two people.

2. Enchanter logs/gate's in and sees that the camp is spawned/mostly spawned, and no one is around. Decides to clear camp.

3. Group returns to see an enchanter sitting at their camp with the PH killed. Argument starts about whose camp it is. Enchanter agrees to leave after 1 clear.

4. For some reason, enchanter lets the whole thing pop (don't buy his story), and the mith 2h pops.

5. Enchanter is unable to kill king without zoning twice(or, in a reasonable amount of time), at which time the group uses the same camp rules to claim it as theirs, the same thing the enchanter did to them.

6. Arguing continues, group says ok, well lets roll for it.

7. Enchanter losses roll, comes to forums to complain.

You forgot..

8. Autum gave Shewz the sword.

What exactly are you mental midgets arguing about in here?

[Stepy]

"1. I am bound at king."
OK, I would guess you would be camping king for loot since you plan of doing the rinse and repeat method, rather for cash or guildies.

"3. I let the spawn re pop fully because I didn't expect the m2h to pop and wanted to leave them with some mobs to kill in case it didn't."

This is a little more interesting to me, either you were giving up the camp and wanted to make sure it was full pop so they would have to work for it. You prefer a challenge and wanted a full spawn so you could continue to rely on the charm and zone strat?
This particular statement of your leads me to believe you were planing on leaving and wanted it to be full spawn first and changed your mind when you saw named.
Having several boys this is a common practice when they have to share something they do not give up so willingly.

[Shewz]

Uhh, mobs at the king camp are fairly sparse in my experience. They were a full group, they had plenty of lull power, I figured they would want the xp and the entertainment of killing a full spawn. Sorry? Read the original deal.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Stepy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"1. I am bound at king."
OK, I would guess you would be camping king for loot since you plan of doing the rinse and repeat method, rather for cash or guildies.

"3. I let the spawn re pop fully because I didn't expect the m2h to pop and wanted to leave them with some mobs to kill in case it didn't."

This is a little more interesting to me, either you were giving up the camp and wanted to make sure it was full pop so they would have to work for it. You prefer a challenge and wanted a full spawn so you could continue to rely on the charm and zone strat?
This particular statement of your leads me to believe you were planing on leaving and wanted it to be full spawn first and changed your mind when you saw named.
Having several boys this is a common practice when they have to share something they do not give up so willingly.

Yea, considering he had such a rough time he had to zone (or at least zone to make it easier) when you don't have to zone and then actually wait for the repops to then make it harder on himself? The whole thing is a mess, and i think it was a matter of both miscommunication and a misunderstanding from both parties, but w/e. These things happen all the time, it just so happens there's a mithril 2hander involved that sparked this debate.

Either way it's done, dude just got a 10k item from my guildie who would have been using it even though he lost a roll and proceeds to rant about how we have bad attitudes. Take your sword, sell it. Nobody cares