Forceful Entry wipes pathetically to CT on a Free anc Clear Engage with 45 people

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If its a pull it would be a straight line to the camp once you turn and start running away from your camp your just kiting the mob around.

again I don't agree with being that insanely strict on a technicality but if thats how its labeled then thats how it is

think anyone that has pulled a mob like that knows that isn't always the case especially in a zone like TD, sometimes you have to get that first landmark to get the proper course.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that makes no sense if you engage it before they are even there. so if you are the only raid in zone and you kite a mob around out of boredom it's "raid interference" if someone petitions? Look at the picture it's not that far out of the way anyways.

This has actually come up before. I believe the general consensus is that if there is no one present/mobilizing that you can kite all you want. However, the moment an opposing force would be in a position to begin their own pull your kite becomes "interference." As I mentioned before, there's a difference between delay tactics, and the puller messing up by taking the scenic route/no one else in the zone. In the latter, you simply risk having your kite peeled. In the case of a deliberate stalling, your risk GM intervention.

For example, if I kite Gorgolosk in sky with no one in the zone or on the way, this is perfectly admissible. However, the moment I know that an opposing force wishes to compete and that they are in a position to do so, I run the risk of either having it peeled or a GM summoned.

The rules are structured this way because every competing force has a potential interest in each specific raid mob. When you engage the mob you can kill it, at which point the opposing force's interest dissolves, or you could wipe at which point the opposing force's interests vests. That interest being the right to engage the mob. You can take any action you want that does not interfere with this interest. The moment your actions impinge upon reasonable claims to a potential or vested interest (reasonable as determined by the GMs), you face potential consequence.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

think anyone that has pulled a mob like that knows that isn't always the case especially in a zone like TD, sometimes you have to get that first landmark to get the proper course.

Because sense heading: north is hard.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because sense heading: north is hard.

i usually worry about getting out of range as fast as possible then worrying about sense heading, but to each their own.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This has actually come up before. I believe the general consensus is that if there is no one present/mobilizing that you can kite all you want. However, the moment an opposing force would be in a position to begin their own pull your kite becomes "interference." As I mentioned before, there's a difference between delay tactics, and the puller messing up by taking the scenic route/no one else in the zone. In the latter, you simply risk having your kite peeled. In the case of a deliberate stalling, your risk GM intervention.

For example, if I kite Gorgolosk in sky with no one in the zone or on the way, this is perfectly admissible. However, the moment I know that an opposing force wishes to compete and that they are in a position to do so, I run the risk of either having it peeled or a GM summoned.

The rules are structured this way because every competing force has a potential interest in each specific raid mob. When you engage the mob you can kill it, at which point the opposing force's interest dissolves, or you could wipe at which point the opposing force's interests vests. That interest being the right to engage the mob. You can take any action you want that does not interfere with this interest. The moment your actions impinge upon reasonable claims to a potential or vested interest (reasonable as determined by the GMs), you face potential consequence.

understood. so let's say you guys did peel him off the initial tag/kite whatever you want to call it. are you saying they would not have kited him around until more than 4 other people were in zone? supposedly he was engaged with 5 tmo in zone and died with still 5 tmo in zone. can't fathom a petition.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because sense heading: north is hard.

rofl

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

understood. so let's say you guys did peel him off the initial tag/kite whatever you want to call it. are you saying they would not have kited him around until more than 4 other people were in zone? supposedly he was engaged with 5 tmo in zone and died with still 5 tmo in zone. can't fathom a petition.

What they would have done is irrelevant, they could say they planned to with 5 whether they did or not

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What they would have done is irrelevant, they could say they planned to with 5 whether they did or not

they should have gotten there faster then. they got outmobilized and try to use rules when it's convenient for them. when they have a bard actually kiting mobs in loops it's because it's his first time pulling, so it's ok.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they should have gotten there faster then. they got outmobilized and try to use rules when it's convenient for them. when they have a bard actually kiting mobs in loops it's because it's his first time pulling, so it's ok.

It's all about how you label things.

pulling no its raid interference
kiting no hes new

you shouldve thrown out the he snever pulled fay before line =p

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's all about how you label things.

pulling no its raid interference
kiting no hes new

you shouldve thrown out the he snever pulled fay before line =p

just pulled the we killed mob in an appropriate amount of time before tmo was even capable of it line. seems to have worked fine.