Forceful Entry wipes pathetically to CT on a Free anc Clear Engage with 45 people

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Godefroi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've got to be kidding, just even today on Draco we had a TMO bard try to snag it from our pull.

nice PR attempt though buddy.

You were kiting again.. We got dem fraps.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You were kiting again.. We got dem fraps.

yes usually you kite the zone and someone tags draco off of the kite...do you petition yourself everytime you do this as well?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes usually you kite the zone and someone tags draco off of the kite...do you petition yourself everytime you do this as well?

Ordinarily, an improper kite occurs when it is a stalling tactic. In the case of Draco, a U-turn or loop can sometimes be necessary to get the mob into the camp, so a kite can still be legitimate without being a straight line. Pullers are allowed a certain degree of self preservation.

That said, several guilds, including TMO have gained and lost Dracos (or other mobs) because the puller over/under shot the camp and had to double back. When this happens vent tends to explode because everyone knows the mob just went back on the market. In this latter case, such would be a petitionable incident if it was found to be a deliberate stalling tactic. Otherwise, the mob simply becomes peelable by an opposing force. (Unless the "kiting" raid clearly regains control of the mob by resuming a proper pull before any such peel attempts are made).

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ordinarily, an improper kite occurs when it is a stalling tactic. In the case of Draco, a U-turn or loop can sometimes be necessary to get the mob into the camp, so a kite can still be legitimate without being a straight line. Pullers are allowed a certain degree of self preservation.

That said, several guilds, including TMO have gained and lost Dracos (or other mobs) because the puller over/under shot the camp and had to double back. When this happens vent tends to explode because everyone knows the mob just went back on the market. In this latter case, such would be a petitionable incident if it was found to be a deliberate stalling tactic. Otherwise, the mob simply becomes peelable by an opposing force. (Unless the "kiting" raid clearly regains control of the mob by resuming a proper pull before any such peel attempts are made).

all sorts of scenarios could happen, but fact is you guys are complaining about kites where you did not have a raid force present, which should negate any petition you have. we pulled it as soon as it was feasibly possible today. Yet when your bard kites for 10m in ej it's because he's new and learning the zone? Come on man...

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all sorts of scenarios could happen, but fact is you guys are complaining about kites where you did not have a raid force present, which should negate any petition you have. we pulled it as soon as it was feasibly possible today. Yet when your bard kites for 10m in ej it's because he's new and learning the zone? Come on man...

(Triple post; I should probably get away from the computer now, heh.)

I am not referencing or justifying any particular action. Please reread my initial post: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...&postcount=110

The context of that post was to simply illuminate certain principles that explain how and why the scenarios in question played out as they did. The general, and accepted up to this point, custom has trended towards requiring only a good faith mobilization when the pull begins in order to have a vested interest in that particular encounter. In other words, if you're running to the mob in a timely manner you will likely have a say in the resolution of the encounter.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(Triple post; I should probably get away from the computer now, heh.)

I am not referencing or justifying any particular action. Please reread my initial post: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...&postcount=110

The context of that post was to simply illuminate certain principles that explain how and why the scenarios in question played out as they did. The general, and accepted up to this point, custom has trended towards requiring only a good faith mobilization when the pull begins in order to have a vested interest in that particular encounter. In other words, if you're running to the mob in a timely manner you will likely have a say in the resolution of the encounter.

Agreed then.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a good faith mobilization when the pull begins in order to have a vested interest in that particular encounter. In other words, if you're running to the mob in a timely manner you will likely have a say in the resolution of the encounter.

When you petition another guild for 'kiting' a raid mob - in this case putting an additional 30 seconds perhaps on a pull that is a 5 minute pull to begin with - while having less than a full group in zone to that guilds 17 people, any 'good faith' talk is straight bullshit. 17 FE were in zone, 17 FE killed Fay. If kiting was the goal to stall, it seems like we did a poor job.

Kiting rules are in place to avoid raid interference. There is no raid interference here; instead there is a group of people trying to abuse the intention of the rules because they once again did not beat FE to mobilization.

[Scowlie]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kiting rules are in place to avoid raid interference. There is no raid interference here; instead there is a group of people trying to abuse the intention of the rules because they once again did not beat FE to mobilization.

Pretty much this.

It's disgusting to visually watch TMO kite Talendor and get away with it while we had a raid force in zone capable of killing it.

Then we have a scenario where one or two TMO are in zone and have no legitimate chance of killing Fay. All the while Eccebaby is spewing his RNF garbage in shout, showing his clear intention of getting people banned and having no interest in actually killing the boss.

These are the same people that talk about wanting legitimate competition and a fair server.

Pretty sure you douches are only here to troll and ruin the server because you have nothing better to do. And you're doing a good job at it, some of my friends who played on this server for years take one look at this forum and have zero desire to play.

Not to mention:

TMO knowing exactly when Trak is going to spawn, multiple questionable GM rulings in their favor and getting accounts MQ flagged unbanned? Seems like an interesting trend.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ordinarily, an improper kite occurs when it is a stalling tactic. In the case of Draco, a U-turn or loop can sometimes be necessary to get the mob into the camp, so a kite can still be legitimate without being a straight line. Pullers are allowed a certain degree of self preservation.

That said, several guilds, including TMO have gained and lost Dracos (or other mobs) because the puller over/under shot the camp and had to double back. When this happens vent tends to explode because everyone knows the mob just went back on the market. In this latter case, such would be a petitionable incident if it was found to be a deliberate stalling tactic. Otherwise, the mob simply becomes peelable by an opposing force. (Unless the "kiting" raid clearly regains control of the mob by resuming a proper pull before any such peel attempts are made).

I hate it when you make sense. It's much easier to hate on people of mouthbreather squad when they don't make sense.

[Funkutron5000]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ordinarily, an improper kite occurs when it is a stalling tactic. In the case of Draco, a U-turn or loop can sometimes be necessary to get the mob into the camp, so a kite can still be legitimate without being a straight line. Pullers are allowed a certain degree of self preservation.

That said, several guilds, including TMO have gained and lost Dracos (or other mobs) because the puller over/under shot the camp and had to double back. When this happens vent tends to explode because everyone knows the mob just went back on the market. In this latter case, such would be a petitionable incident if it was found to be a deliberate stalling tactic. Otherwise, the mob simply becomes peelable by an opposing force. (Unless the "kiting" raid clearly regains control of the mob by resuming a proper pull before any such peel attempts are made).

It's always a pleasure to see you post, Xasten. You tend to go for informative and honest posting, which is surprising in RnF. It's always nice to see something other than "prove it", "no u" which is present from both TMO and FE.