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[soup]

I really don't understand why everyone thinks taking 30 seconds to zone out and in to a zone should just completely negate any work you've done splitting a camp and just make it a free for all to claim it.

So do you lose a camp if you kite mobs away if that's how you fight them? So then what is the arbitrary distance you can't exceed to keep the camp? Or how about the details of how you solo the camp isn't relevant as long as you do it in a timely manner?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really don't understand why everyone thinks taking 30 seconds to zone out and in to a zone should just completely negate any work you've done splitting a camp and just make it a free for all to claim it.

From http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2653 which is the ruleset we have to mediate these kinds of disputes among ourselves:

1. Going forward, if you intend to hold or claim a camp, your group must retain presence at that camp.

4. In order to hold a camp, the player or group must be able to demonstrate the ability to hold the camp without further help.

Enchanter had the claim to the camp after the group wiped due to these server rule. Enchanter did not have the claim to the camp after he zoned due to the SAME RULES.

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So do you lose a camp if you kite mobs away if that's how you fight them? So then what is the arbitrary distance you can't exceed to keep the camp? Or how about the details of how you solo the camp isn't relevant as long as you do it in a timely manner?

So then what is the arbitrary time duration you can't exceed to keep the camp?

In an outdoors setting, if you're kiting shit and you can't handle it and have to zone, you demonstrate an inability to hold the camp, so yes, you lose that camp. And based on the first rule quoted above, yes you probably should be kiting in the general vicinity of that camp to demonstrate your "presence".

Zoning is zoning. It is the end all and be all of leaving the camp. You not only left the camp because you couldn't keep it, you left the ZONE because you couldn't keep it. I think that's pretty damn black and white. You cannot argue you have a "presence" at any camp in the zone if you are NO LONGER IN THE ZONE.

[soup]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2653 which is the ruleset we have to mediate these kinds of disputes among ourselves:





Enchanter had the claim to the camp after the group wiped due to these server rule. Enchanter did not have the claim to the camp after he zoned due to the SAME RULES.



So then what is the arbitrary time duration you can't exceed to keep the camp?

In an outdoors setting, if you're kiting shit and you can't handle it and have to zone, you demonstrate an inability to hold the camp, so yes, you lose that camp. And based on the first rule quoted above, yes you probably should be kiting in the general vicinity of that camp to demonstrate your "presence".

Zoning is zoning. It is the end all and be all of leaving the camp. You not only left the camp because you couldn't keep it, you left the ZONE because you couldn't keep it. I think that's pretty damn black and white. You cannot argue you have a "presence" at any camp in the zone if you are NO LONGER IN THE ZONE.

It sounds like you don't even know WHY he zoned rofl

The enchanter doesn't zone because he cant hold the camp or needs to get some mob off him or whatever, it's because his charmed pet is low HP and by zoning it regens rapidly to full. It has nothing to do with an inability to hold the camp. It's only abouth efficiency. He could have sat there letting the mob slowly regen up while sitting at the camp, but that would take much longer, and he has people waiting in line who made a deal for the camp after him, so speeding it up helps everyone, right? Oh, guess not, because people are douche bags and think zoning is like going to another planet or something.

As far as the zoning argument, say I am camping Gynok in Befallen. Say I have just killed the PH a couple minutes ago, and the PH has 15 minutes until it respawns. Say someone asks if I can step outside to SOW them real quick. Would you be like "LOL YOU ZONED NOT YOUR CAMP ANYMORE!"?

[Agaron]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It sounds like you don't even know WHY he zoned rofl

The enchanter doesn't zone because he cant hold the camp or needs to get some mob off him or whatever, it's because his charmed pet is low HP and by zoning it regens rapidly to full. It has nothing to do with an inability to hold the camp. It's only abouth efficiency. He could have sat there letting the mob slowly regen up while sitting at the camp, but that would take much longer, and he has people waiting in line who made a deal for the camp after him, so speeding it up helps everyone, right? Oh, guess not, because people are douche bags and think zoning is like going to another planet or something.

As far as the zoning argument, say I am camping Gynok in Befallen. Say I have just killed the PH a couple minutes ago, and the PH has 15 minutes until it respawns. Say someone asks if I can step outside to SOW them real quick. Would you be like "LOL YOU ZONED NOT YOUR CAMP ANYMORE!"?

Right. If you come to a camp, and any of the targets are down, dmged, or engaged, and you don't see someone, you can't assume they're not camping. They could be invis, they could be kiting, they could be fighting it out of view, or even zoning. You don't know. If the camp is fully spawned, because entire group wiped, and you clear it without anyone communicating from get go, or someone popping out of invis to hold camp, then you're sol. Two different things.

[PhelanKA]

PVP would solve all of this.