To hate or not to hate?

[Vladesch]

Originally Posted by frefaln [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The game doesn't suck at all, it just so happens that it's being overrun by cellar-dwelling potheads with little or no social skills. The devs have done a fantastic job of re-creating the magical place that existed in 1999, unfortunately they can't turn back the clock and make the "new generation" of MMO players patient or sociable.

Sorry but the fact that people can KS, or even find the need to KS is a direct result of the game and its mechanics.
This isnt meant as a plug for WOW, because Ive played that and it has its own problems which Im not going to write an essay on right now, but as far as kill stealing and camps are concerned there are 2 major improvements Wow made over EQ. First is the first to get agro on a mob gets the kill, regardless of who does the most damage. No more getting quillmane down to 40% and then have some level 50 nuke the crap out of it and KS you in wow.
The second is that in WOW you are essentially competing against the difficulty of the game. Yes I said it. The difficulty of the game. In EQ most of the "difficulty" is other players. The way things are made rare is by having a single serverwide spawn, which is then a rare spawn and requires you to camp it for long periods to get.
So the supply for said items is very slow, but of course every man and his dog wants one, and thus people fight over camps, KS, train on another etc etc etc. None of this happened in WOW, with a couple of exceptions being a few world pops, mainly dragons, and guess what? WOW had exactly the same sort of problems with these spawns, and IMO these dragons should have been instanced too.

I like a good challenge, and Ive enjoyed what Ive played of P1999 so far, but what I see happening at the high end is worse than what I remember from classic eq, and Im trying to tell myself that it really isnt worth playing my characters up anymore, becuase I know its just going to be continuous grief and fighting against other players, and frankly thats not fun.

And no, Im not going back to WOW. Ive done that enough times already and im pretty much sick of WOW. Yes it is too easy for general levelling. I wouldnt say that about raiding, or at least the initial raiding that WOW presented before they released outland. Original Naxx and aq40 and even that dragon ionstance before you had the gear were pretty tough and demanded a lot of coordination. A lot of the encounters just took 1 person to fuck up and it would wipe the raid (electricity boss in original Naxx anyone)

It was just the levelling up in WOW which was too easy, and too fast too. I hate it when servers are over 50% composed of max level people running about.

Anyway thatsmy take on things here. The game sucks, period because it encourages bad behaviour from the players. Doesnt mean Ill stop playing it. I like the difficulty in spite of the problems caused by the other players. Im thankful I play during an odd time zone, so things aren't quite as bad, but its still hopeless trying to actually get some decent loot for yourself. Anything decent is camped 24/7.

Blah.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Vladesch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The second is that in WOW you are essentially competing against the difficulty of the game. Yes I said it. The difficulty of the game. In EQ most of the "difficulty" is other players. The way things are made rare is by having a single serverwide spawn, which is then a rare spawn and requires you to camp it for long periods to get.

1. I think you have this completely backwards. If anything EverQuest is the prime example of a PLAYER vs GAME environment.

small example:
EQ - Leveling 1-10 is hard as sh*t when you're not twinked or buffed
WoW - Follow the green line to lvl 20 (whatever the fluff the cap is)

2. EverQuest mob/item (spawn rates) availibility are completely intentional to avoid early mudflation. It's not for the sake of the community that you have spawn rates for some grind group mobs around 1/100, it's a direct fix to the game to avoid, as I said previously, an influx in gamebreaking items.

At lvl 50 an FBSS is doing jack and sh*t in all seriousness, if your DPS sucks because you don't have an FBSS you're not equipped correctly. However, a lowbie with an FBSS might as well just go on autorun with attack on then come back when level 30ish.

[azeth]

Also, just a brief relatively unrelated point -

People really have a lot to say about the game economy/playerbase/KSing/camp issues without considering that; 95% of the community are EQ veterans, all of us share a non-expanded classic version of EQ, and all of us have rigid ideas based on having played EQ of how the server should be run.

If I were to elaborate on any of those 3 points I made, I'd really focus on the fact that ~800 EQ vets are playing on an as-of-yet expansionless server.

YES it is crowded in Lguk
YES your mob was KS'd
YES the GM's are busy
YES Kunark will give us breathing room

chill out, friends.

[jarooneh]

Then I do not think it is necessary to smear the individuals name. I will just not play with or near them in the future.

[Vladesch]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. I think you have this completely backwards

No, you just have misinterpreted what I said.

small example:
EQ - Leveling 1-10 is hard as sh*t when you're not twinked or buffed
WoW - Follow the green line to lvl 20 (whatever the fluff the cap is)

I never said eq was easier. Grinding in eq is a lot harder, that is if you solo. As for groups, well eq is pretty easy but it just takes time. Unless you have a bad group I suppose.

2. EverQuest mob/item (spawn rates) availibility are completely intentional to avoid early mudflation. It's not for the sake of the community that you have spawn rates for some grind group mobs around 1/100, it's a direct fix to the game to avoid, as I said previously, an influx in gamebreaking items.

Yes, Im aware of this. Trouble is its a terrible solution, and you only have to read through the posts in this forum to see why. Sorry but I dont want to put up with that shit. More power to you if you like KS'in and being KS'd and training people and flaming/being flamed on forums. Most of us prefer actually playing the game and not having to put up with that sort of crap from other guilds and players.

It reminds me of one of the things that was definitly one of the proverbial straws that broke the camels back, back in 2002-3 when we were a small guild trying to progress, and to get anywhere from our current situation we needed to get keyed for VT.

So we camped all our shards and did all the work, and for just about everyone in the guild, all that was needed was the emperor ssszra kill. Our guild kept checking to see if he was up, and pretty much stagnated for about 3 months before people eventually got sick of it and the guild broke up.

Normally it wouldnt have been so much of a problem, but another guild was farming VT at the time, and they didnt want the competition, so they kept emperor killed. They being on a US time zone, and us being on an asian time zone, meant that they raided up to about a few hours before we started.

I believe the term for it is cockblocking, and I believe the respawn time for emperor was either 5 days or a week. Of course it would spawn a nice multiple of 24 hours after it was killed, so once you killed it once, you "owned" the spawn.

Anyway Im pretty much through with this server. I was planning on playing it until civ 4 and elemental war of magic came out, but I think Im going to cut that short because I dont want to have to put up with the shit that happens here. I play MMO's to fight monsters, not to be jacked by other asshats.