Trakanon feb 20

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So trak aggro is out of your control, yet you couldnt stop yourself from bringing it to the ledge multiple times.

Both fraps we have show trak coming from his spawn.. not from shrooms.

You should really read other peoples posts before responding to them.

1. The claim was that the changes to Trakanon were at the bottom of this.

2. I supported that claim; it was indeed the increased agro range of Trakanon that caused him to agro everyone on the ledge, whereas before he would not have.

Shit happens in Everquest. The point here is to determine whether a guild is consciously and blatantly griefing and/or training another guild, not to assume it whenever anything happens that you dont like. FE's raid wiped along with TMO when this shit happened; it is fairly obvious that there was no such behavior here on either side.

What stopped you from getting resed up and killing Trak faster than us? We were all in the same spot....

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should really read other peoples posts before responding to them.

1. The claim was that the changes to Trakanon were at the bottom of this.

2. I supported that claim; it was indeed the increased agro range of Trakanon that caused him to agro everyone on the ledge, whereas before he would not have.

Shit happens in Everquest. The point here is to determine whether a guild is consciously and blatantly griefing and/or training another guild, not to assume it whenever anything happens that you dont like. FE's raid wiped along with TMO when this shit happened; it is fairly obvious that there was no such behavior here on either side.

What stopped you from getting resed up and killing Trak faster than us? We were all in the same spot....

Clerics died =) You know... due to your trains.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should really read other peoples posts before responding to them.

1. The claim was that the changes to Trakanon were at the bottom of this.

2. I supported that claim; it was indeed the increased agro range of Trakanon that caused him to agro everyone on the ledge, whereas before he would not have.

Shit happens in Everquest. The point here is to determine whether a guild is consciously and blatantly griefing and/or training another guild, not to assume it whenever anything happens that you dont like. FE's raid wiped along with TMO when this shit happened; it is fairly obvious that there was no such behavior here on either side.

What stopped you from getting resed up and killing Trak faster than us? We were all in the same spot....

Ignorance and Ineptitude are not an excuse to train. Its your job as a leader to stop your retards from pulling/dragging corpses if you cant trust them to do so properly. But I guess in your case its like the blind leading the blind.

[melkezidek]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ignorance and Ineptitude are not an excuse to train. Its your job as a leader to stop your retards from pulling/dragging corpses if you cant trust them to do so properly. But I guess in your case its like the blind leading the blind.

Correct me if I am wrong but this exactly the excuse that TMO used in Hate a few months back when they trained FE for a Maestro Kill. "Our puller was inexperienced"

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by melkezidek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Correct me if I am wrong but this exactly the excuse that TMO used in Hate a few months back when they trained FE for a Maestro Kill. "Our puller was inexperienced"

Im confused... did this happen? Where is the proof. Until you have evidence its not related.

Also, Arris edit your video for sound MUST POST these videos lol.

[melkezidek]

[QUOTE=Alarti0001;858737]Im confused... did this happen? Where is the proof. Until you have evidence its not related.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...t=hate&page=26

This is the event I’m talking about. Way to much to look through for me atm. However I’m fairly certain that it was ruled as "accidental" and because TMO's puller was not experienced. However it was a while ago and I do admit I could very well be wrong.

[Alarti0001]

[QUOTE=melkezidek;858765]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im confused... did this happen? Where is the proof. Until you have evidence its not related.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...t=hate&page=26

This is the event I’m talking about. Way to much to look through for me atm. However I’m fairly certain that it was ruled as "accidental" and because TMO's puller was not experienced. However it was a while ago and I do admit I could very well be wrong.

I got through 12/19 pages did't see one screenshot/log/fraps.

[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should really read other peoples posts before responding to them.

1. The claim was that the changes to Trakanon were at the bottom of this.

2. I supported that claim; it was indeed the increased agro range of Trakanon that caused him to agro everyone on the ledge, whereas before he would not have.

Shit happens in Everquest. The point here is to determine whether a guild is consciously and blatantly griefing and/or training another guild, not to assume it whenever anything happens that you dont like. FE's raid wiped along with TMO when this shit happened; it is fairly obvious that there was no such behavior here on either side.

What stopped you from getting resed up and killing Trak faster than us? We were all in the same spot....

FE claims excuses and ignorance for their bad behavior.

The bottom line is that there were multiple trains to ledge of Juggs and Trak, they were ALL caused by FE. Assuming your point that "Trak Aggro Changes" were the result of this, how does it effect the fact that when you aggro a raid mob, you aren't allowed to train the other guild with it, and proceed to wipe them MULTIPLE TIMES on fraps? I don't see where in the rules it states this? Where is this hidden "retard clause" per say?

No one is saying that you aren't allowed to train yourselves multiple times and wipe your own raid. The issue is when you train other guilds with your trains, multiple times killing all of their clerics. These trains were fraspd and directly resulted in a complete wipe of our raid.

Now putting the shoe on the other foot, lets say we were the ones who directly aggroed trak MULTIPLE TIMES, and ran him over to ledge MULTIPLE TIMES, and proceed to wipe you entirely. And you happened to get this on fraps both times in entirety. Would you be pissed off and up in arms? Oh you bet you would! Would we be probably getting raid susepended, yes we probably would.

We don't expect anything different here.

Tell me Sloan, would you be up in arms? I think so. Fraps or it didn't happen? Well luckily we have fraps, and now the GM's have fraps. So lucky for us, it did happen.

Furthermore for one of your trainers (Merck) to be the same guy who was caught on fraps training us 2 days prior at trak is pretty ironic. Yes, that was caught blatantly on fraps as well. And yes, the GM's have that one too.

We don't mind real competition, but this brand of raid interference is clearly against the spirit of PVE. Forceful Entry getting really pathetic and desperate to try blatant trains against the competition like this. (not in VP) Well see how things shake out.

[Hurley]

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FE claims excuses and ignorance for their bad behavior.

You mean like a month ago when your bard kited Sev through the zone waiting for your raid force to log on? That was frapsed also and you blamed it on him getting lost because of his ignorance.


If they pulled and wiped themselves also it clearly shows the lack of malicious intent.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Hurley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mean like a month ago when your bard kited Sev through the zone waiting for your raid force to log on? That was frapsed also and you blamed it on him getting lost because of his ignorance.


If they pulled and wiped themselves also it clearly shows the lack of malicious intent.

We actually wiped ourseives twice due to trak pathing back from shroom spot before TMO even had over 9 players online. Their fraps should be irrelevant due to the fact that they had 9 players online and less in zone at the time we engaged trakanon initially, not to mention their "raid force" was interfering with ours by crowding our camp up.


TMO has caused countless, probably intentional, trains. We are getting used to new changes made to the game and TMO can't help but grief us at every step of the way.