ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[gotrocks]

I guarantee they won't fuck up the red wedding, or any part of book three for that matter.

for evidence i simply point to the first two seasons - there was plenty of opportunity to ruin all kinds of shit, and i don't think they fucked a single thing up (that whole scene with dany and the dragons and drogo could *easily* have been a massive fuckup).

These guys know what they are doing, and i dont see them dropping the ball anytime soon. Not only do they have a *massive* budget (they're going to spend more money on this series than probably any other ever created), but they have a fantastic crew. I am really, really excited to see what they do with books 4 and 5 (and even more excited to see what Martin does with the end of the series............................................ .................................................. .................................................. ...... if he finishes it before he dies)

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there was plenty of opportunity to ruin all kinds of shit, and i don't think they fucked a single thing up

I think there were numerous things changed that were a detriment to the story, but primarily, they really sucked something terrible with Arya's storyline. They completely left out a brilliant part of the Battle of Blackwater, Tyrion's chain. The way they did the Jon Snow/Halfhand/Rattleshirt situation. The changes to Robb's storyline.

I will admit I'm a bit of a book purist at this point, but there's a reason. I wouldn't mind changes if they were even close to as good as they were in the books. There are some changes that I'm fine with, and even like. But so many of them are much, much worse than if they had followed the script.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think there were numerous things changed that were a detriment to the story, but primarily, they really sucked something terrible with Arya's storyline. They completely left out a brilliant part of the Battle of Blackwater, Tyrion's chain. The way they did the Jon Snow/Halfhand/Rattleshirt situation. The changes to Robb's storyline.

I will admit I'm a bit of a book purist at this point, but there's a reason. I wouldn't mind changes if they were even close to as good as they were in the books. There are some changes that I'm fine with, and even like. But so many of them are much, much worse than if they had followed the script.

refresh my memory on the Arya changes (minus a few conversations)? the chain was HUGE, i was sad they left it out, but it really doesnt effect the story if u just blow up all the boats. same with halfhand/jon, i feel the end result would be the same.

what did they change about robb besides his new wifes name and back story?

i can not wait for the QQ that follows season 3 from all the people that dont read the books, omg tears of rage incomming!

[Sirken]

we need a montage to speed this up

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[Dalven]

I have to agree with Sirkin that I'm disappointed they left out Ned's visions/dreams as well as many of the others. I guess I can see why it would be difficult to put them in properly but the foreshadowing of a lot of them is really cool, particularly the House of the Undying stuff. Although I think it'll be in this series that Dany does her conquering. I also think that that in the 4th series a lot of the ironborn stuff of A Feast for Crows will be included to keep the continuity easy for the show.

I watch this with a friend who hasn't read the books and he was appalled when Ned dies. The anticipation for the Red Wedding is getting unbearable.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have to agree with Sirkin that I'm disappointed they left out Ned's visions/dreams as well as many of the others. I guess I can see why it would be difficult to put them in properly but the foreshadowing of a lot of them is really cool, particularly the House of the Undying stuff. Although I think it'll be in this series that Dany does her conquering. I also think that that in the 4th series a lot of the ironborn stuff of A Feast for Crows will be included to keep the continuity easy for the show.

I watch this with a friend who hasn't read the books and he was appalled when Ned dies. The anticipation for the Red Wedding is getting unbearable.

i thinking the dreams would reveal Jon Snows real parents. the Rhaegar vision they SHOULD have showed. i wanted to see Rhaegar =(

Dany already did her conquering. at the end of last season she locked that guy in the vault, stole his shit, and went to buy a ship. thats the ship that takes Dany to Mereen / slaver's bay. i imagine we wont see alot of dany in season 3.

also i dunno if you read back a few pages, but book three is getting cut in half to make Seasons 3 and 4. so it will be tricky to see how they do the iron borns. hopefully they take your advice and do something to keep them in the picture for the show, they didnt play a big part in first half of book 3.

will be fun to see how they film books 4 and 5 since he wrote them like an asshole and they take place simultaneously.

<3

[Dalven]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i thinking the dreams would reveal Jon Snows real parents. the Rhaegar vision they SHOULD have showed. i wanted to see Rhaegar =(

Dany already did her conquering. at the end of last season she locked that guy in the vault, stole his shit, and went to buy a ship. thats the ship that takes Dany to Mereen / slaver's bay. i imagine we wont see alot of dany in season 3.

also i dunno if you read back a few pages, but book three is getting cut in half to make Seasons 3 and 4. so it will be tricky to see how they do the iron borns. hopefully they take your advice and do something to keep them in the picture for the show, they didnt play a big part in first half of book 3.

will be fun to see how they film books 4 and 5 since he wrote them like an asshole and they take place simultaneously.

<3

I guess you're right that Ned's visions could be somewhat too revealing visually, however they provide tantalising hints to Jon's parentage that probably won't be revealed until the final book. Without these if the reveal ends up being what its widely predicted to be it might seem a bit out of left field.

Aye I was aware of the split for seasons 3 and 4 though - what I was thinking was as a lot of the Iron Born stuff chronologically takes place during A Storm of Swords and they will likely use it to beef up the fourth season. Hopefully they just film the 4th and 5th books as if they are one and don't bother with any of the split business - a whole season without Tyrion is unthinkable!

Anyone ever gone through the books one POV at a time? Something I was thinking of doing when I go for this years inevitable reread.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

refresh my memory on the Arya changes (minus a few conversations)? the chain was HUGE, i was sad they left it out, but it really doesnt effect the story if u just blow up all the boats. same with halfhand/jon, i feel the end result would be the same.

what did they change about robb besides his new wifes name and back story?

Damn, I keep forgetting about this thread. They changed the entire feel of Arya's story to me. They softened it up drastically for TV and made it like she was just hiding out at any old castle along the road. In the books it was an "if I make the slightest mistake somebody is going to fuck me, cut my throat, and then fuck my new throat hole" kind of place. Completely depraved and unpredictable people all around. She was being beaten on the regular by her taskmaster dude. They took away her kill for the show. There was no feeling that she was in mortal peril the entire time she was there in the show.

I know the chain doesn't make much difference in the outcome, but I loved how it showed his unorthodox brilliance. And yeah, the end is also the same with the Jon/Halfhand sitution, I don't know. It didn't seem like it was given the weight that it should have been. That was a huge moment for Jon.

Now, Robb. Robb, Robb, Robb. The show's version is: Robb meets a spunky little camp healer who don't take no guff from kings. Robb is just overcome with Spunky's dazzling charm and fierce spirit. Then she tells him a horrific story and they bang, cause they's mad in love. Then they get married. This makes Robb a complete and utter dumbass who threw away his only chance of victory for lurve.

In the book: Robb is being cared for in the castle of a minor noble after an injury in battle. When he learns of his brothers being murdered (and his home being destroyed?) he is devastated and takes shelter in the only place available, the arms of the noble's daughter. Afterwards he goes into hardcore Stark mode, and decides that the only honorable thing he can do is marry the girl and deal with the consequences. This makes Robb a complete and utter dumbass who knowingly threw away his only chance of victory to follow his father's code of honor.

They did pretty much the same thing for Cat. She was changed from point of calm stability in a sea of chaos, somebody who thought about the political ramifications of actions and tried to help guide her son, to a wheepy mother who doesn't care about anything but getting her babies back. I know there is that part of Cat that is desperate to get her girls back in the books as well, but it's the only part of her that seemed to make it to the show.

[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cat has been on my shit list since day 1 because of how she treats jon snow. poor robb, never lost a battle, but ... and yes i agree, complete and utter dumbass.

i completely forgot how horrible it was for Arya at harrenhall. i agree i felt they didnt emphasize the importance of THAT particular castle, and you are correct on the show you never really feel shes in any danger at all after Tywin shows up.

theres a new season 3 trailor. it looks like Dany might just get her unsullied in season 3
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oh man i cant fucking wait...you guys watch this one? Cast for season 3...the chick who plays misande(sp) is pretty damn hot, but older than I expected her to be!

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[Dalven]

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh man i cant fucking wait...you guys watch this one? Cast for season 3...the chick who plays misande(sp) is pretty damn hot, but older than I expected her to be!

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That cast list video makes me excited - BWB, the Reeds and Brynden Tully at last! I wonder how they will introduce the latter two as The Reeds in particular should have already been pretty established by the end of the second season and Brynden Tully should have been raising hell with Robb since the first season. That dragon in the other preview looks awesom as well.

Originally Posted by Tenlaar

Damn, I keep forgetting about this thread. They changed the entire feel of Arya's story to me. They softened it up drastically for TV and made it like she was just hiding out at any old castle along the road. In the books it was an "if I make the slightest mistake somebody is going to fuck me, cut my throat, and then fuck my new throat hole" kind of place. Completely depraved and unpredictable people all around. She was being beaten on the regular by her taskmaster dude. They took away her kill for the show. There was no feeling that she was in mortal peril the entire time she was there in the show.

Aye, and I thought the whole making pals with Tywin Lannister was a bit odd as well.

Originally Posted by Tenlaar

They did pretty much the same thing for Cat. She was changed from point of calm stability in a sea of chaos, somebody who thought about the political ramifications of actions and tried to help guide her son, to a wheepy mother who doesn't care about anything but getting her babies back. I know there is that part of Cat that is desperate to get her girls back in the books as well, but it's the only part of her that seemed to make it to the show.

Yeah the dislike for Jon Snow immediately drops her in the rankings but her obsession with protecting her children is pretty prevalent throughout - and like you said the dislike for Jon stems from that. Like Sirken said the fact that he looks more like Ned than her kids and a constant symbol of betrayal being raised as well as one of her own probably drives the hatred - I'm sure she even says as much in one of her POVs. The drive to protect her children is what motivates all her actions and eventually what drives her into madness and undeath.

How do you guys think they will split Jon's/the Nights Watch storyline over two seasons?