Solo Artist Challenge

[Splorf22]

Are people not allowed to state their opinion on a forum regarding a topic such as "The Solo Artist Challenge".

I don't see any moderators deleting your post. You expressed your opinion; our opinion is that your opinion is somewhere between silly and wrong.

For better or worse EQ has very heterogenous (and arguably poorly balanced) classes. The whole concept of a solo artist challenge makes no sense for warriors and rogues and would have very little interest. If you choose to attempt it with a less-than-optimal class, we'll be impressed. For example Ploktor has a rep as one of the best players on the server (which he is) despite completing only a small fraction of the challenge and abusing a lot of clickies to do so.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see any moderators deleting your post. You expressed your opinion; our opinion is that your opinion is somewhere between silly and wrong.

For better or worse EQ has very heterogenous (and arguably poorly balanced) classes. The whole concept of a solo artist challenge makes no sense for warriors and rogues and would have very little interest. If you choose to attempt it with a less-than-optimal class, we'll be impressed. For example Ploktor has a rep as one of the best players on the server (which he is) despite completing only a small fraction of the challenge and abusing a lot of clickies to do so.

Thank you for making my point as you agree with me that the challenge is skewed to suit some classes where some other classes it doesn't really fit how it is currently set up. Saying it makes no sense for warriors and rogues is more a problem with the current tiers and list set up than the idea of a "Solo Artist Challenge".

All I have been saying is if you want to call something a Solo Artist Challenge, any class should have an opportunity to prove their worth and I see no problem with having additional lists that have mobs that would be fairly trivial to solo with some classes yet some classes would be an accomplishment. I find it is funny that you say my opinion is both silly and wrong but you agree with my core point that the challenge, as currently composed, is not for all classes yet it is generically called "Solo Artist Challenge" which says to me any class should be able to compete. However if they can't really progress as others, whats the point of that?

[Splorf22]

Life isn't fair Erati. Watching Enchanters and Shaman soloing mobs that can wipe whole groups like the Protector or HS East is like watching LeBron James soar through the air for a tomahawk dunk. Watching a warrior try to solo the froglok chef using 300 clickies is like watching a fat girl crawl across the 100 meters. Yes, you may be the fastest fat girl in the world . . . but no one cares.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Life isn't fair Erati. Enchanters and Shaman soloing mobs that can wipe whole groups like the Protector or HS East is like watching LeBron James soar through the air for a tomahawk dunk. Watching a warrior try to solo the froglok chef using 300 clickies is like watching a fat girl crawl across the 100 meters. Yes, you may be the fastest fat girl in the world . . . but no one cares.

That is fine with me, and I have no interest in making another list for those poor classes that wish to achieve some 'solo' glory. I agree with you that warrior type solo'ing is definitely boring and pointless. I was just responding from being flamed for suggesting the list be "Enchanter/Shaman/Necro Artist Challenge" yet it seems I am fairly accurate.

It is a tough list to compete even for the classes that can, again I have not for one second wanted to take away from the many accomplishments that people have made in this thread. They are all very impressive. I just was bored at work and wanted to start a discussion ("gasp") on a fun thread that wasn't about one guild's epeen versus another. I was hoping another random Joe Schmoe out there would chime in and continue the discussion instead I irritated two enchanters who felt compelled to defend themselves and their class which I was not attacking. I was simply discussing the manner in the challenge takes place and possibly the discussion of adding to it opportunities for other classes to enjoy in some public praise and glory. I again apologize if I offended Tec or yourself as I did not intend to, you guys have made my work day go by faster so you could even say that you have solo'd my job fairly well.

Edit: Triangle I never for once have said anyone in this thread walks up and taps the "I WIN" button and defeats these encounters. I was just bringing something up that came to my mind and wanted to open discussion and apparently it had already been discussed. I have no interest in making the list but I just wanted to bring it up with some of the challenge superstars and see what they thought about it as obviously some classes have an advantage that others don't in terms of these feats.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was just responding from being flamed for suggesting the list be "Enchanter/Shaman/Necro Artist Challenge" yet it seems I am fairly accurate.

You're looking at it the wrong way.

You wouldn't call the NBA the "Freakishly Tall and Coordinated People Who Have 20/10 Vision Basketball Association" and write a letter to the heads of the NBA requesting that they make larger and lower hoops to somehow incorporate into games so that short, clumsy, blind people can compete with NBA stars. So why are you stuck on the fact that, big surprise, the classes who are best at soloing are most capable of killing things solo? Basketball was designed to be fun and challenging, and it just so happened that certain people tended to be better at the game as designed than others. So too the Solo Artist Challenge was designed to be fun and challenging, and it just so happened that certain classes tended to be better at it than others.

Warriors and bards and rogues have their own challenges anyways. They're called raids. They get to shine when charmers aren't allowed to charm pets for the liability and stuff hits too hard for a shaman to tank it and stuff is immune to stuns so you can't avoid getting nuked. Meanwhile the enchanters and shamans and necros are buffing and patch healing and getting death touched and twitching. Wooo.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're looking at it the wrong way.

You wouldn't call the NBA the "Freakishly Tall and Coordinated People Who Have 20/10 Vision Basketball Association" and write a letter to the heads of the NBA requesting that they make larger and lower hoops to somehow incorporate into games so that short, clumsy, blind people can compete with NBA stars. So why are you stuck on the fact that, big surprise, the classes who are best at soloing are most capable of killing things solo? Basketball was designed to be fun and challenging, and it just so happened that certain people tended to be better at the game as designed than others. So too the Solo Artist Challenge was designed to be fun and challenging, and it just so happened that certain classes tended to be better at it than others.

Warriors and bards and rogues have their own challenges anyways. They're called raids. They get to shine when charmers aren't allowed to charm pets for the liability and stuff hits too hard for a shaman to tank it and stuff is immune to stuns so you can't avoid getting nuked. Meanwhile the enchanters and shamans and necros are buffing and patch healing and getting death touched and twitching. Wooo.

Its totally my fault as I misunderstood what this thread and the title "Solo Artist Challenge" represented. I was under the impression that the people who participated in this were looking for some of the best solo challenges Everquest could offer regardless if it was with their main character or not. What I don't understand is why Ive been met with such anamosity with a seemingly logical observation about the challenge itself. This thread is located in general server chat, theres a chance random people of all classes, levels and age will be interested in reading it and want to weight in. If this was suppose to be some kind of sticky note thread then someone should have it sticky'd to the top as no commentary/debate is apparently allowed without a flame fest.

I am not looking to reinvent the wheel, as its easy to simply say "Well go create your own solo list and do that". That was never my intention or desire as I do not have time to devote to something like that. I just was hoping for some debate/discussion about parts of the challenge and other branches of possibility with some of it's avid members/fans. Also the National Basketball Association's team owners PAY players they view best for their team so it doesn't matter that not everyone is allowed to compete in that sport; its a job. If the owner doesn't want to pay you to play for his team obviously you are not capable or viewed as an asset. This is something called the "Solo Artist Challenge" it was not called "Solo Artist Association of Norrath" (which gives a hint that the membership is not for everyone). Maybe if that was the new name I would understand this 'cult' opinion about my dissenting opinion.

[Splorf22]

Erati your entitlement level is off the charts here. When you post an opinion on an internet forum, people may in fact disagree with you. We are not flaming the hell out of you, I think I called your opinion silly, and the fact that literally everyone else disagrees with you should be a hint that your opinion is, in fact, silly. In addition you are simply wrong: the challenge is open to any player regardless of level/class. What you are asking for is a handicap, and when no one was inclined to give you one you responded by vomiting out a temper tantrum on to my thread.

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[formallydickman]

Erati, it seems to me you are making much ado about nothing. Make a revised version for those classes you feel cannot participate and put them forward for scrutiny. Otherwise, sit back and enjoy the Shaman/Enchanter party that is SAC.

[Triangle]

Originally Posted by Erati View Post
enchanters should have their own tiered list and lesser soloable classes get a weaker progression ( in terms of mob difficulty) list.

Feel free to create this list in a separate thread - I am not being insincere, I would genuinely enjoy alternate lists especially those mroe suitable to other classes. I have addressed issues like this before when people have questioned how the system is setup. It ought to be remembered that this thread was setup by players, is not gm sponsored, and there is no real reward for completing these. As Tecmos said, we all do this for our own fun.

Secondly, anyone who thinks we just walk in and own these encounters is vastly mistaken. I don't even know the amount of deaths I took on some of them, but it was a shit ton. A lot of these, while involving very detailed and specific strategy, also involve a lot of luck via RNG (resists mostly, but even the npc's "decision" on what spells to cast). So even if you see Tecmos post a kill about something that another ENC has already done, don't assume that this is just a cakewalk and not entertaining. I personally read all of his posts and think about how I probably would struggle with some of the mobs. For example, the crypt keeper in HS north: he has a room of like 8 mobs. I can tell you that if I tried this right now I would probably die even though its on what? disciple list? It might take 4-5 attempts before I got the strat down and the luck needed.

Again, this post should be summarized like this: no this thread doesn't take into consideration class balance (but most of us do when we read posts by people), but the reward does not really exist outside of this thread either. You should make your own thread that has new lists that are made for separate classes, and I genuinely think you would find a lot of interest in it.