Please people learn how to play pet classes.

[darkblade717]

Originally Posted by Vexden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I say pets, I am meaning any controllable pet, (unlike the Enchanter Pet)

Necro Pets
Mage Pets
Shaman Pets
Charmed Pets

I am wondering how many people actually know how to control their pet.

In the beginning, lower levels, this doesn't matter and I am wondering if this is why so many people I group with fight with me about this topic.

Being an Enchanter for many levels, many servers, I have had hit or miss on pug groups and people controlling their pets. I am not going to worry about how they used to work, as there have been many little tweaks to help us Enchanters when it comes to breaking our mez. I am only going to talk about how it works now.

First off let me say for those who don't know, MEZ has a HUGE aggro modifier. If a mob is Mezzed and then not broken by either A) mind wipe working applied first or B) by a Tank that knows how to break Mez then you are going to have a mob beating the crap out of the Enchanter.

What on earth could make this worse? A rampage pet that has a hatelist built up. Let me explain.

You're in a group, and a puller pulls 4 mobs. While the Enchanter locks down the 3 mobs (minus the 4th that the tank should now have aggro on) a lot of things can happen. Lets say for instance you assist and send the pet to beat on the one mob that the tank currently is on. While that pet is killing that mob, the other 3 mobs can do things to aggro that pet (even though the pet is still beating on the mob it was told to). A mob can cast an AE, it can heal, it can buff, it can actually physically hit the pet (or its owner) (all the while the pet is still being good and beating on the origional mob it was told to).

Now all is so far good, the Enchanter now has the 3 mobs on ice, and the 1st mob might be almost dead at this point. Here is where the Enchanters nightmare starts. Once that 1st mob dies, the pet that remembering all of the things that has happened during that time will now check its own hatelist. It then will go after which mob it wants to next on its own, and without any intervention from its owner, it will break mez. What makes things worse is if the tank breaks a different mob than the pet thinks should be next. So now you have 1 mob that the tank is on, and one mob that is beating the crap out of your enchanter, even if you mez this mob, the pet will keep breaking mez. (In a perfect senario, the mob would stop attacking after the mez, but this isn't always the case).

So this is how a Pet class should control his or her own pet.

After everything has been locked down (on ice, mezzed whatever), the owner of a pet should do the /pet back off command, and just reissue the /assist /pet attack command. When you do the pet back off, it wipes the hatelist from the pet so it will not break mez.

The reason for this post is because I am sick of being made out to be the "jerk" for telling someone how to control their pet. Even the ones that say they have 10 years of expierence playing their pet class. (And then afterwards complain in their guild chat about me for an hour)

Sorry for the Novel,

Discuss.

-Vexden


*edit* Thinking about this, it went from informational to a Rant, move to the section if needed.

I've forcefully tried breaking mez with my pet and I get the 'Sorry master, I am unable to awaken <target>" message, so you've got your facts wrong somewhere.

[Gorgetrapper]

Originally Posted by darkblade717 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've forcefully tried breaking mez with my pet and I get the 'Sorry master, I am unable to awaken <target>" message, so you've got your facts wrong somewhere.

You obviously missed the entire point of the message. You're part of the problem.

[Omnimorph]

Originally Posted by Gorgetrapper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You obviously missed the entire point of the message. You're part of the problem.

Lol.

You can't send your pet in on a mob that's been mezzed, but if your pet already has it on it's aggro list then it'll beat on it and keep breaking mez.

As an enchanter i can agree with *some* of the points raised, it's very frustrating to mez something, for the something to then run up to you and smash you in the face, you to step back, stun it, then prepare to mez it and having to duck your mez because GONARTIK is beating on the fucking mob... you spam hail GONARTIK hoping that the player who owns it will do something, but then doesn't even notice the spamming!

so in the end i root it and walk away.

[darkblade717]

Originally Posted by Gorgetrapper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You obviously missed the entire point of the message. You're part of the problem.

My bad, I don't group with scrubs who can't keep their pulls under control :-/

[Vexden]

Originally Posted by darkblade717 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've forcefully tried breaking mez with my pet and I get the 'Sorry master, I am unable to awaken <target>" message, so you've got your facts wrong somewhere.

Ok, so you read all of that, and you still don't understand? (This is the arguement that the last pet class gave me)

I will explain this (hey I tested it and you are wrong) once.

You can do all the single target testing you want. You can have a mob Mezzed and you try and send the pet, the pet will return "I cannot wake up this mob master". (this works most of the time with single target)

It is when you introduce the multiple mob situation that you run into real problems when you are lazy and just say "it isn't my pet". It is when your pet is already attacking one mob (so its attention is set to do one thing) and then an additional mob comes to piss it off that causes the problem most of the time. Think of it like a 3 year old getting a shot, if you shake something shiney in its face while he or she is getting a shot, most of the time they don't know what is going on.. (example a pet attacking a target), it is after you remove the shiney thing that the 3 year old notices the pain (Pet notices the aggro from the 2nd mob, and then mezzed or not goes and attacks it).

I really don't know how to put it anymore simple.

p.s. There were no 3 year olds harmed in this testing.

[darkblade717]

Originally Posted by Vexden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, so you read all of that, and you still don't understand? (This is the arguement that the last pet class gave me)

I will explain this (hey I tested it and you are wrong) once.

You can do all the single target testing you want. You can have a mob Mezzed and you try and send the pet, the pet will return "I cannot wake up this mob master". (this works most of the time with single target)

It is when you introduce the multiple mob situation that you run into real problems when you are lazy and just say "it isn't my pet". It is when your pet is already attacking one mob (so its attention is set to do one thing) and then an additional mob comes to piss it off that causes the problem most of the time. Think of it like a 3 year old getting a shot, if you shake something shiney in its face while he or she is getting a shot, most of the time they don't know what is going on.. (example a pet attacking a target), it is after you remove the shiney thing that the 3 year old notices the pain (Pet notices the aggro from the 2nd mob, and then mezzed or not goes and attacks it).

I really don't know how to put it anymore simple.

p.s. There were no 3 year olds harmed in this testing.

I skimmed because I barely ever group with Enchanters and on the rare occasion that I do they're only there for Clarity and haste, most of the time my pet IS the CC because it makes things die faster.

[Coalrymer]

hmm, haven’t had that problem when it comes after me after pet breaking it. but I also play with a druid that snares everything(like a good little cute druid should *pets the druid wolf thing*) /cough... any who. my chanter is almost 30 now have only died when I charm things.... and not paying attention /cough... seems that’s the biggest and most needed attribute of a chanter. ATTENTION SPAN yay... but then again I like watching my druid friend run around like an idiot. Druid/chanter combo is great [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

but uhh... definitely going to start invising people when they don't work their pet right... just got the feeling my chanter is going to be well hated...

[Gorgetrapper]

Originally Posted by darkblade717 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My bad, I don't group with scrubs who can't keep their pulls under control :-/

Originally Posted by darkblade717 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I skimmed because I barely ever group with Enchanters and on the rare occasion that I do they're only there for Clarity and haste, most of the time my pet IS the CC because it makes things die faster.

You're just another terrible pet class and that's pretty much it.

[darkblade717]

Originally Posted by Gorgetrapper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're just another terrible pet class and that's pretty much it.

lolumad?