naming policy rules... what are they?

[SchadenFreude]

Originally Posted by Toony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taxi, do you feel someone who types BigBlackDong into the box that says "Character Name" deserves the right to "have their player's history follow them through 50"?

It's a serious question even if the example might not be.

This is already covered in the ONLY rule on this server dealing with names. Please try to use a relevant argument. It is way too easy to create a straw man and beat upon that instead of finding some facet of the existing debate that has merit.

The bottom line here is someone abused their powers, it was made public, and instead of fixing their error they decided to piss off hundreds of people. The other "powers that be" closed ranks on to back up the mistake instead of acting like adults. End of story; nothing will change. The damage is done and the people running the show don't care what we think. (See: quote by senior guide, in this thread, stating they dont care what we think).

[Toony]

Originally Posted by SchadenFreude [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is already covered in the ONLY rule on this server dealing with names. Please try to use a relevant argument. It is way too easy to create a straw man and beat upon that instead of finding some facet of the existing debate that has merit.

Taxi's opinion is covered in that rule? I was more interested in what Taxi thought about player rights to their own history than all this other nerd rage.

Sorry, what irrelvent argument did I state in asking someone their opinion? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] If you feel my posts aren't relevant to your discussion feel free to buzz on past.

[SchadenFreude]

The straw man you used was clearly within the "offensive" category. Taxi, to the best of my knowledge, is not an offensive word. Try using an argument that takes a non-offensive word and apply the same logic to it.

Phrases, and names that form phrases, are very common in the real world. I don't suddenly go bonkers when I see a name that could also be interpreted as a phrase. By the same logic, I don't flip out and have my "reality immersion" challenged when I meet a person in the real world who has a name that is also a word.

"Will Smith" -- is he a blacksmith, or just a black "Smith"? You decide. The name nazis on this server would have nuked his name if they were able to play god in real life. Not based upon any published rule, per se. Instead, the guide in question would have nuked his name because they didn't like him, possibly Will Smith he is black and the guide is from a country that has a long history of racial intolerance.

Of course, I don't honestly believe that. But, see how easy it is to make a straw man argument and beat upon that, instead of sticking to the debate?

[Toony]

Originally Posted by SchadenFreude [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The straw man you used was clearly within the "offensive" category. Taxi, to the best of my knowledge, is not an offensive word. Try using an argument that takes a non-offensive word and apply the same logic to it.

Miss this part?

It's a serious question even if the example might not be.

No straw.

[Taxi]

To hammer the point in more, we can turn the question on its head.

Is it worth it, for something as trivial as RP enforcement names on a non-RP server, to annoy (im being kind here) the hundreds of players who went and rolled a character which the names meant something? When players who were punished know its never going to end because they see new names that mean something pop up each day? When the rules were vague to start with?

Because the rules are vague at best and at worst feels like a police officer's discretion to arrest a black guy for jaywalking and to not arrest white people for jaywalking, deciding when to apply vague laws when he wants to.

If you dont want that police corruption flavor to how you run your server, then you enforce the same rules for everyone.

[Toony]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because the rules are vague at best and at worst feels like a police officer's discretion to arrest a black guy for jaywalking and to not arrest white people for jaywalking, deciding when to apply vague laws when he wants to..

So would you prefer them just to 100% adhere to SOE's ruleset? (clearly they would have to reword it or run the risk of some end-around copyright violation lawsuit)

[Blackyce]

Originally Posted by Toony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So would you prefer them just to 100% adhere to SOE's ruleset? (clearly they would have to reword it or run the risk of some end-around copyright violation lawsuit)

No, I would like a ruleset that isn't just "The Opinion" of whatever GM is currently volunteerinig at the moment.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Toony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So would you prefer them just to 100% adhere to SOE's ruleset? (clearly they would have to reword it or run the risk of some end-around copyright violation lawsuit)

Ive mentioned multiple times what i think they should do.

- First, put the renames on hold (with exception of the offensive ones) until its sorted out.

Then 2 options:

1) Stick to obviously offensive names, changing names such as Vagina Smasher. That is actually what the rules are supposed to be, according to Nilbog, if i am not mistaken.

2) Explicitely state that names that mean something will no longer be tolerated, and dedicate a day for Devs and GMs to deal with this, slapping everyone with renames for a full day or 2, which will make people stop rolling toons with names that mean something for the most part. Then just mop up the rest.

The copyright infrigement thing is so silly i dont think its worth commenting much, beside the fact that can you imagine the PR disaster for a company like say, Marvel if they were to sue some obscure EQemu devs because one of their players picked the name "The thing" ?

[Blackyce]

I'm confused. What's wrong with a name like Schaden Freude? There are many cultures in this world where a name like this would be acceptable.

My friend at work's name is Maki and she's Japanese. Maki in Japanese means "To hope". So Schaden Freude picks his name because it comes close to the meaning of something like Harm Joy as seperate words but can actually be a single word in both German/English so you choose to wipe it.

Really, are you this petty?

I find this really funny because I would think a name like Schaden Freude (Harm Joy) would be very much in line with ANY MMORPG naming policy.

Oh and the fact that after Taxi Driver called you out here, you made it a mission to change his name shows a definite abuse of power.

I just want to know, have you changed the names of all those people in the Frogloc SS? Because I'm pretty sure since that SS you've been doing your GM duties and not just having fun, since you changed Taxi's name. If you haven't, you really do have a power issue problem.

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by Blackyce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So Schaden Freude picks his name because it comes close to the meaning of something like Harm Joy as seperate words but can actually be a single word in both German/English so you choose to wipe it.

Schadenfreude is not "Harm Joy" as your broken translation claims.
It is a colloquialism in both German and English, feel free to Google it.