naming policy rules... what are they?

[Toony]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point is that name changing is not something that should be done lightly.
Like schadenfeude said (however his name is spelled) you erase the entire history of a toon's character. You have to have put 45 levels into a character and then have a GM pick your name out of a hat to understand how bad that is.

But my problem is not the name changing, my problem is the appearance of favoritism with GMs taking pics with top guilds like "cheeeese" and half of them have names that break the rules. You either spend a day changing the rules for everyone, or else you dont change names at all, you put it on hiatus until you think things through. Thats like removing the global chat only for certain people while others retain the right to use it. Its not that bad, but i think the metaphore is not too far off.

To pick an example from my experience, me and this player Nalatai have this inside jokes of ninja bears. One time i ported and there was a bear in a tree behind Nalatai and i said something like "Ninja bear! behind you!". Ever since that bear when i see Nalatai its "Bear, 3 oclock!" or whatever. Shes not on my friend list and theres tons of people like this where you have this little history and ill never go to the trouble of msging them all like hey.... remember me? My name got changed to blablabla.

Some people will have themselves allowed to have their player's history follow them through 50, and some of them, at random or to the GMs whims will be erased from existence, whenever they feel like it. Thats not how it should go, yes its your server, yes you can do what you want but it doesnt mean allowing this to continue will not piss off a bunch of people. This should be implemented fully or not at all.

I said i would not discuss this matter further, and i went back cause i think people who say "Whatever crybabies, its just a name" dont grasp the problem.

Taxi, do you feel someone who types BigBlackDong into the box that says "Character Name" deserves the right to "have their player's history follow them through 50"?

It's a serious question even if the example might not be.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Toony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taxi, do you feel someone who types BigBlackDong into the box that says "Character Name" deserves the right to "have their player's history follow them through 50"?

It's a serious question even if the example might not be.

Do you think a person who types "Taxi" into the box that says "character name" has a right to have their player's history follow them through 50?

[Toony]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you think a person who types "Taxi" into the box that says "character name" has a right to have their player's history follow them through 50?

Part of what you quoted back to me was Taxi's quote, it's irrelevant as to what I think about that particular idea.

But since you asked, I don't believe anyone has any "right" to anything on P99 as they haven't paid for or been granted specific licence to do anything by the server owner. Everything done on the server is at the whim of the owner/developers.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Toony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Part of what you quoted back to me was Taxi's quote, it's irrelevant as to what I think about that particular idea.

But since you asked, I don't believe anyone has any "right" to anything on P99 as they haven't paid for or been granted specific licence to do anything by the server owner. Everything done on the server is at the whim of the owner/developers.

of course the server owners can do whatever the fuck you want. I'm asking you if you think it's right. What a fucking lame copout. LOL COPS CAN BEAT BLACK PEOPLE IF THEY WANT SO ITS OKAY! Way to pass the buck.

Btw, triumph is a pretty crappy roleplaying name.

[SchadenFreude]

Originally Posted by Toony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taxi, do you feel someone who types BigBlackDong into the box that says "Character Name" deserves the right to "have their player's history follow them through 50"?

It's a serious question even if the example might not be.

This is already covered in the ONLY rule on this server dealing with names. Please try to use a relevant argument. It is way too easy to create a straw man and beat upon that instead of finding some facet of the existing debate that has merit.

The bottom line here is someone abused their powers, it was made public, and instead of fixing their error they decided to piss off hundreds of people. The other "powers that be" closed ranks on to back up the mistake instead of acting like adults. End of story; nothing will change. The damage is done and the people running the show don't care what we think. (See: quote by senior guide, in this thread, stating they dont care what we think).

[Toony]

Originally Posted by SchadenFreude [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is already covered in the ONLY rule on this server dealing with names. Please try to use a relevant argument. It is way too easy to create a straw man and beat upon that instead of finding some facet of the existing debate that has merit.

Taxi's opinion is covered in that rule? I was more interested in what Taxi thought about player rights to their own history than all this other nerd rage.

Sorry, what irrelvent argument did I state in asking someone their opinion? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] If you feel my posts aren't relevant to your discussion feel free to buzz on past.

[SchadenFreude]

The straw man you used was clearly within the "offensive" category. Taxi, to the best of my knowledge, is not an offensive word. Try using an argument that takes a non-offensive word and apply the same logic to it.

Phrases, and names that form phrases, are very common in the real world. I don't suddenly go bonkers when I see a name that could also be interpreted as a phrase. By the same logic, I don't flip out and have my "reality immersion" challenged when I meet a person in the real world who has a name that is also a word.

"Will Smith" -- is he a blacksmith, or just a black "Smith"? You decide. The name nazis on this server would have nuked his name if they were able to play god in real life. Not based upon any published rule, per se. Instead, the guide in question would have nuked his name because they didn't like him, possibly Will Smith he is black and the guide is from a country that has a long history of racial intolerance.

Of course, I don't honestly believe that. But, see how easy it is to make a straw man argument and beat upon that, instead of sticking to the debate?

[Toony]

Originally Posted by SchadenFreude [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The straw man you used was clearly within the "offensive" category. Taxi, to the best of my knowledge, is not an offensive word. Try using an argument that takes a non-offensive word and apply the same logic to it.

Miss this part?

It's a serious question even if the example might not be.

No straw.

[Taxi]

To hammer the point in more, we can turn the question on its head.

Is it worth it, for something as trivial as RP enforcement names on a non-RP server, to annoy (im being kind here) the hundreds of players who went and rolled a character which the names meant something? When players who were punished know its never going to end because they see new names that mean something pop up each day? When the rules were vague to start with?

Because the rules are vague at best and at worst feels like a police officer's discretion to arrest a black guy for jaywalking and to not arrest white people for jaywalking, deciding when to apply vague laws when he wants to.

If you dont want that police corruption flavor to how you run your server, then you enforce the same rules for everyone.

[Toony]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because the rules are vague at best and at worst feels like a police officer's discretion to arrest a black guy for jaywalking and to not arrest white people for jaywalking, deciding when to apply vague laws when he wants to..

So would you prefer them just to 100% adhere to SOE's ruleset? (clearly they would have to reword it or run the risk of some end-around copyright violation lawsuit)