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Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO is thoroughly focused on not even letting other guilds get a feel for VP. We've tried to go in and just learn about how to pull to certain areas but once you're discovered a dozen FD classes are on top of you training wave after wave of bullshit. I watched someone from TMO log on like 5 different characters and just suicide to train us in picture room. Who needs FD when you have access to a pile of keyed toons.

what is your point other than you don't like TMO killing VP targets. I am almost positive there isn't another guild that has the majority of loot from the other raid targets yet.

If you take a second and jump back, you'll notice that TMO is killing less targets outside of VP and FE is killing more.

Do us all a favor and stop whining and start progressing your guild. The only guild that should possibly be upset about not getting to raid in VP, would be FE. BDA has done very little of the raid content that is outside of VP.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what is your point other than you don't like TMO killing VP targets. I am almost positive there isn't another guild that has the majority of loot from the other raid targets yet.

If you take a second and jump back, you'll notice that TMO is killing less targets outside of VP and FE is killing more.

Do us all a favor and stop whining and start progressing your guild. The only guild that should possibly be upset about not getting to raid in VP, would be FE. BDA has done very little of the raid content that is outside of VP.

You do realize that a large core of VP keyed players left BDA and went to FE right? FE has succeeded in getting non-VP targets by playing the game the way TMO had played it. Recruit tons of people over every time zone. Camp out fully buffed for every single target so that upon spawning the mob can be tagged/pulled/killed in under 60 seconds. That type of play style suits TMO and FE but our playerbase would rather raid as a guild and focus on those types of shenanigans periodically. Their way isn't wrong, in fact if the goal is to net kills then they're obviously doing it right, but we focus on more than just killing dragons.

I'm not whining, we just have no interest in playing the game that way. However, saying that killing non VP targets somehow entitles a guild to VP targets is preposterous considering that we took numerous targets before FE filled that vacuum. As a guild BDA has killed every stupid mob aside from hoshkar and Nexona (got her to 4%) so saying we've done very little content outside of VP is false.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize that a large core of VP keyed players left BDA and went to FE right? FE has succeeded in getting non-VP targets by playing the game the way TMO had played it. Recruit tons of people over every time zone. Camp out fully buffed for every single target so that upon spawning the mob can be tagged/pulled/killed in under 60 seconds. That type of play style suits TMO and FE but our playerbase would rather raid as a guild and focus on those types of shenanigans periodically. Their way isn't wrong, in fact if the goal is to net kills then they're obviously doing it right, but we focus on more than just killing dragons.

I'm not whining, we just have no interest in playing the game that way. However, saying that killing non VP targets somehow entitles a guild to VP targets is preposterous considering that we took numerous targets before FE filled that vacuum. As a guild BDA has killed every stupid mob aside from hoshkar and Nexona (got her to 4%) so saying we've done very little content outside of VP is false.

Dude killing trakanon a few times over the course of years does not a VP guild make. FE has killed trakanon almost as much as BDA in a few weeks. FE is a realistic raid guild for this server. BDA is a casual idealist guild. EQ.... is ... not... casusal.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude killing trakanon a few times over the course of years does not a VP guild make. FE has killed trakanon almost as much as BDA in a few weeks. FE is a realistic raid guild for this server. BDA is a casual idealist guild. EQ.... is ... not... casusal.

FE has killed Trak a dozen or so times in the past 2 weeks? Man y'all must be slipping.

BDA never wanted to be the yin to TMO's yang. We were thrust into that position when IB left and VD folded into us. There was no one else because Taken and Div had dropped off. So we tried to assume that role and TMO thoroughly beat us with their superior numbers and gigantic chip on their shoulder they developed from their wars with IB.

There's a reason BDA shared every single raid target when TMO was suspended, it's because that's how we feel the game should be played. You do not. Stop comparing TMO to BDA because your measures of success are not the same as ours.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stop comparing TMO to BDA because your measures of success are not the same as ours.

I agree so stop pretending you should be in our shoes. If you want to be a raid guild, be a raid guild. If you want rotations and instances..... find a game that has them.

Also, get a handle on the 2boxxing going on in your guild.

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Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree so stop pretending you should be in our shoes. If you want to be a raid guild, be a raid guild. If you want rotations and instances..... find a game that has them.

Also, get a handle on the 2boxxing going on in your guild.

uh.. when did the definition of "raid guild" change from "a guild that raids and kills targets" to "a guild that pulls trains and attempts to use every loophole in the rules to step on everyone else on their path to targets"

As far as I can tell BDA fits the first definition.. We raid, We kill targets.

Also, Can this thread be moved to rants and flames now? I think it belongs there..

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Originally Posted by Furme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

uh.. when did the definition of "raid guild" change from "a guild that raids and kills targets" to "a guild that pulls trains and attempts to use every loophole in the rules to step on everyone else on their path to targets"

As far as I can tell BDA fits the first definition.. We raid, We kill targets.

Also, Can this thread be moved to rants and flames now? I think it belongs there..

it belongs there because people like you can't refrain from making posts with

a guild that pulls trains and attempts to use every loophole in the rules to step on everyone else on their path to targets

in them. Look at aresenal's first post as well.

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Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize that a large core of VP keyed players left BDA and went to FE right? FE has succeeded in getting non-VP targets by playing the game the way TMO had played it. (1)Recruit tons of people over every time zone. Camp out fully buffed for every single target so that upon spawning the mob can be tagged/pulled/killed in under 60 seconds. That type of play style suits TMO and FE but our playerbase would rather raid as a guild and focus on those types of shenanigans periodically. Their way isn't wrong, in fact if the goal is to net kills then they're obviously doing it right, but we focus on more than just killing dragons.

I'm not whining, we just have no interest in playing the game that way. However, saying that killing non VP targets somehow entitles a guild to VP targets is preposterous considering that we took numerous targets before FE filled that vacuum. As a guild BDA has killed every stupid mob aside from hoshkar and Nexona (got her to 4%) (2)so saying we've done very little content outside of VP is false.

1) That play style doesn't suit just those guilds, it is the best (known) way to raid on P99.

2) I didn't say you did very little content, I said your guild has very little gear. Your guild has only killed a handful of targets a few times. The VP keys you guys have/had, were mostly from guilds like VD and IB.

So yes, killing non-vp targets is a good way to show your guild is ready to be in VP, because your guild would be mostly geared from the other targets and the next natural progression is VP.

Killing things, just to have said you killed them = you're going to have a tough time without convincing people to just give you the chance on EQ/P99.

Casual raiding needs to realize it's casual and what comes with that in Everquest. This isn't WoW where you can be casual and also raid the end-game content.

[Furme]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Casual raiding needs to realize it's casual and what comes with that in Everquest. This isn't WoW where you can be casual and also raid the end-game content.

Seems like we're doing it wrong then.. 'cause we've been raiding end game content for at least 2 years now..

*GASP* Perhaps you're wrong!

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Originally Posted by Furme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems like we're doing it wrong then.. 'cause we've been raiding end game content for at least 2 years now..

*GASP* Perhaps you're wrong!

2 years?

You might have hit a few raid targets since I took a break, prior to that your endgame (while I was raiding) was perhaps planar clears with a few kills on maestro, fay, an inny or two, maybe a gore that was given up and any kills that VD let you guys have when TMO/IB were suspended.

To say that BDA as a guild has geared up on the raid targets outside of VP and want to be in VP because it's time they naturally progressed is false.