i woke the sleeper

[falkun]

When evidence is presented to the server staff, they remove GMs as they deem necessary. If you feel Ambrotos is/was a biased GM, present evidence to server staff and let them handle it. But spinning a conspiracy theory here in RNF is working about as well for TMO as it is for VD/BDA/FE. You still haven't shown how any conspiracy theory created by BDA/FE directly relates to our desire to play the game, changing it from my point that "BDA plays to enjoy the game" (1) to your point "BDA derives enjoyment from pissing off TMO".

Secondly, we do say grats to FE. See their guild discussion thread. With respect to "at least TMO didn't get it." I've already covered that in my last post. Here it is again in case you missed it.

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I know more mains in FE than TMO that need the loot, so I AM glad when FE gets a kill over TMO.

I, and I imagine most people in BDA, know more mains in FE that will use the raid drops more than we know mains in TMO that will benefit from the raid drops. For instance, I know every single Trak tooth that FE and BDA obtain will go to main raiders. TMO has over 40 teeth banked, and I've seen sub-60s in VP gear. I know TMO's trak teeth are not going to main raiders. It makes me happy to see main raiders, from any guild, obtain gear. By saying, "At least TMO didn't get it," we are stating our pleasure at raid loot going to a main character, not a 3rd L60 purchased with plat off the EC tunnels. We are taking pleasure in others fortune, not TMO's misfortune. Again, because one person/force obtains loot, that means another did not. That is the system TMO enjoys, that is the system I play under. It is a side-effect, not the cause for my desire to raid.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only ideas you communicate are face and palm.

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When evidence is presented to the server staff, they remove GMs as they deem necessary. If you feel Ambrotos is/was a biased GM, present evidence to server staff and let them handle it. But spinning a conspiracy theory here in RNF is working about as well for TMO as it is for VD/BDA/FE. You still haven't shown how any conspiracy theory created by BDA/FE directly relates to our desire to play the game, changing it from my point that "BDA plays to enjoy the game" (1) to your point "BDA derives enjoyment from pissing off TMO".

Secondly, we do say grats to FE. See their guild discussion thread. With respect to "at least TMO didn't get it." I've already covered that in my last post. Here it is again in case you missed it.

I, and I imagine most people in BDA, know more mains in FE that will use the raid drops more than we know mains in TMO that will benefit from the raid drops. For instance, I know every single Trak tooth that FE and BDA obtain will go to main raiders. TMO has over 40 teeth banked, and I've seen sub-60s in VP gear. I know TMO's trak teeth are not going to main raiders. It makes me happy to see main raiders, from any guild, obtain gear. By saying, "At least TMO didn't get it," we are stating our pleasure at raid loot going to a main character, not a 3rd L60 purchased with plat off the EC tunnels. We are taking pleasure in others fortune, not TMO's misfortune. Again, because one person/force obtains loot, that means another did not. That is the system TMO enjoys, that is the system I play under. It is a side-effect, not the cause for my desire to raid.

Fact: Ambrotos put out a new set of raid rules while actively raiding with BDA.
Fact: Ambrotos used those new raid rules to suspend or attempt to suspend TMO as a guild and TMO members multiple times.

There isn't a conspiracy here. Its what happened.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fact: Ambrotos put out a new set of raid rules while actively raiding with BDA.
Fact: Ambrotos used those new raid rules to suspend or attempt to suspend TMO as a guild and TMO members multiple times.

There isn't a conspiracy here. Its what happened.

Fact: TMO was never raid suspended under Ambrotos.
Fact: Ambrotos still has GM privileges, just not the time to wield them.

There isn't a conspiracy here. Its what happened.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fact: TMO was never raid suspended under Ambrotos.
Fact: Ambrotos still has GM privileges, just not the time to wield them.

There isn't a conspiracy here. Its what happened.

Your first fact isnt a fact [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Unless you are saying he has deniablity because Amelinda was lead GM.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fact: TMO was never raid suspended under Ambrotos.
Fact: Ambrotos still has GM privileges, just not the time to wield them.

There isn't a conspiracy here. Its what happened.

Your first fact isnt a fact [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Unless you are saying he has deniablity because Amelinda was lead GM.

Your second fact does not add to the discussion at all.