stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Vellatri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Humerox, have you found anything to back up your claim that overall violent crimes have decreased in Australia since the gun ban? Anything at all? The sources you provided said nothing of the sort. Lying doesn't help your case much.

Good...now I know you've read them.

My claim never was that overall violent crimes decreased in Australia since the gun ban. I've gone to great lengths to establish my position throughout multiple pages of two threads here.

Yet you guys still want to use an *ahem* straw-man.

Your claim that if mass murders committed by firearm stop yet overall violence remains the same or increases, it's inconsequential. There are many problems with that statement...not the least of which is that you're saying that banning assault weapons causes increased overall violence...because there is no proof of that.

Nevertheless...I'm not concerned with overall violence and never have been in discussing this issue.