stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[Vellatri]

Right. Mass shootings get a lot of attention, but why eliminate them at the expense of, say, increasing the overall murder or violent crime rates? The same logic applies to people who point to "gun violence." I don't give two shells about gun violence. I'm much more interested in reducing all violence, guns or not.

But hey, I'm sure the increasing masses of raped Aussie women are thrilled that the mass shootings have stopped.

[Resheph]

I was talking to my g/f about this subject last night and she pretty much agreed with me:

Originally Posted by Vellatri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regardless, why do I want a gun? So I can shoot you in the face if you try to violate my other human rights.

Reasonable and acceptable. Handguns used for protection purposes should be allowed, with a permit. The lack of proper background checks is solely on the shoulders of the gun sellers and the government.

Originally Posted by Vellatri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do I want an AR-15? So it's easier to shoot you if you try to take my other guns by force.

Not acceptable. Shooting someone who lawfully attempts to confiscate your guns is, in itself, an illegal act making you one of the unstable people that shouldn't own ANY gun. No reasonable argument has ever been made for assault rifles being carried in a populated area. In your home, OK, fine. But keep them there or in locations meant for hunting.

The world is not all-or-nothing. It required compromise and common sense. This, sadly, seems to be lacking on all fronts (I am in no way placing the blame solely on gun owners OR the government for this debacle)

[OforOppression]

if they dont want to be raped they should stop being so hot (lololol)

[OforOppression]

Also, if you hunt with an AR-15, you're a fucking moran.

[gloine36]

I love the Australian stuff when it's totally bullshit. That story has been kicking around the Net for a while. Check out Snopes.

[Resheph]

Originally Posted by Vellatri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right. Mass shootings get a lot of attention, but why eliminate them at the expense of, say, increasing the overall murder or violent crime rates? The same logic applies to people who point to "gun violence." I don't give two shells about gun violence. I'm much more interested in reducing all violence, guns or not.

But hey, I'm sure the increasing masses of raped Aussie women are thrilled that the mass shootings have stopped.

I would like hard numbers on the number of women who stopped their attempted rapist using an assault weapon. After you get me those, find me the numbers on the women who stopped a rape with a handgun (which I'm all for).

If someone is trained in the handling and firing of a handgun they shouldn't need more than 6 rounds to protect themselves from almost any situation. If there's 7 or more people after you and they're dumb/angry enough to let you shoot 6 of them, you're not getting away anyway...

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by Resheph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would like hard numbers on the number of women who stopped their attempted rapist using an assault weapon. After you get me those, find me the numbers on the women who stopped a rape with a handgun (which I'm all for).

There is a mental factor in less strict gun control as well that you are forgetting. People of criminal intent can be deterred by the very threat of an assault rifle being present and this is shown in the many pages of statistics posted.

Also, your argument was applied to the American police force a while back: 'There is no good reason for an officer to be armed with anything more than a hand gun. More advanced weaponry is for the SWAT team.' Then the 1997 LA bank heist happened and now almost all police cars have an assault rifle in the trunk.

Since you keep bringing up handguns though, here is an interesting graph you should look at. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Us...esbyweapon.svg

[Resheph]

Originally Posted by patriot1776 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

who cares about our wives and daughters being raped by big burly PCP'd out criminals who dont follow laws anyway

Again, handgun = problem solved. You shoot someone in the head or kneecap and they're pretty much out of commission.

There is no reason to have a semi-automatic or automatic weapon on your person in a populated area. Very few people, if any, are arguing against handguns.

But I should stop posting here because it seems those who do listen already agree with me and those that don't agree refuse to listen anyway.

[Lexical]

Your argument is silly. It assumes that the majority of violent crimes are being carried out with assault rifles which can't be farther from the truth.

[Resheph]

Originally Posted by Lexical [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a mental factor in less strict gun control as well that you are forgetting. People of criminal intent can be deterred by the very threat of an assault rifle being present and this is shown in the many pages of statistics posted.

Also, your argument was applied to the American police force a while back: 'There is no good reason for an officer to be armed with anything more than a hand gun. More advanced weaponry is for the SWAT team.' Then the 1997 LA bank heist happened and now almost all police cars have an assault rifle in the trunk.

Handguns are a problem, but I refuse to argue against them. It's a futile attempt to do so and I can see legitimate reasons to have them. Police having automatic weapons in the trunk is not much of an issue. Anyone, police or not, walking around with an automatic rifle slung over their shoulder IS (unless they are summoned to the scene for a specific purpose, like SWAT).

I'm not against owning an automatic rifle in the home. Well, I am, but won't argue against it. It's your house and what's in it is none of my business. The governments take on it, well... I don't blindly follow anyone in politics, ever. But regarding the 'mental factor' thing... if you having a handgun doesn't discourage an attacker chances are nothing will.