stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[vaylorie]

Now this is what I expect when debating a 15 year old McDonalds worker on a 1999 game forum. Good work Hitchens, you met and nearly exceeded expectations! I don't expect your hear that very often.

[Humerox]

From: Home Office Statistical Bulletin

Homicides are relatively rare events, and year-on-year variations need to be interpreted with some caution. A statistical analysis of trends (discussed in Section 1.6) indicates a significant reduction in homicides since 2007/08.


Next:

1. Number of Murders, United States, 2010: 12,996
   
2. Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2010: 8,775
   
3. Number of Murders, Britain, 2011*: 638
   (Since Britain’s population is 1/5 that of US, this is equivalent to 3,095 US murders)
   
4. Number of Murders by firearms, Britain, 2011*: 58
   (equivalent to 290 US murders)

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From: Home Office Statistical Bulletin

Homicides are relatively rare events, and year-on-year variations need to be interpreted with some caution. A statistical analysis of trends (discussed in Section 1.6) indicates a significant reduction in homicides since 2007/08.


Next:

1. Number of Murders, United States, 2010: 12,996
   
2. Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2010: 8,775
   
3. Number of Murders, Britain, 2011*: 638
   (Since Britain’s population is 1/5 that of US, this is equivalent to 3,095 US murders)
   
4. Number of Murders by firearms, Britain, 2011*: 58
   (equivalent to 290 US murders)

Nobody is arguing if there is not more violent crime in the US vs. Britain, that proves nothing. They are different cultures and America is more of a violent culture by nature. None of this has anything to do with the impact on implemented gun regulations as was the previous question.

As per the actual conversation, isolated to Britain what was the impact on violent crime and murder as a result of a gun ban and increased gun regulation? The result, as shown in the data, is that violent crime increased as the population became unarmed. Hence, gun regulation does not solve a violent crime problem as I originally stated.

Learn to apply data to a conversation and not try to create a false argument with convenient facts.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is arguing if there is not more violent crime in the US vs. Britain, that proves nothing. They are different cultures and America is more of a violent culture by nature. None of this has anything to do with the impact on implemented gun regulations as was the previous question.

As per the actual conversation, isolated to Britain what was the impact on violent crime and murder as a result of a gun ban and increased gun regulation? The result, as shown in the data, is that violent crime increased as the population became unarmed. Hence, gun regulation does not solve a violent crime problem as I originally stated.

Learn to apply data to a conversation and not try to create a false argument with convenient facts.

It remains to be seen whether comprehensive - and properly enforced - gun legislation will improve the problem.

As a society we are not responsible with our guns. It makes no sense at all to do nothing. Our culture seems to be the least qualified to have such easy access to weaponry specifically designed to kill lots of people very quickly. My argument has always been that mass killings can be controlled and the statistics do back that up.

The White House seems to be taking the approach I want to see. Compromise is in order. Extremism on either side is right out.

[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now this is what I expect when debating a 15 year old McDonalds worker on a 1999 game forum. Good work Hitchens, you met and nearly exceeded expectations! I don't expect your hear that very often.

I went and got some tacos because I figured your reply would be terrible and not worth putting off tacos to read.

I was right.